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What a bunch of morons in that state. They can't even keep the power on now in order to charge the EV's they currently have. How are they going to handle the extra demand? Idiots.
What a bunch of morons in that state. They can't even keep the power on now in order to charge the EV's they currently have. How are they going to handle the extra demand? Idiots.
How much is the extra demand? I see the complaint a lot, but never an analysis of why EVs are going to wipe out the grid.
How much is the extra demand? I see the complaint a lot, but never an analysis of why EVs are going to wipe out the grid.
California’s grid can’t handle current demand. It doesn’t matter how much of an increase the demand is, it needs to be rebuilt before adding any demand at all.
That being said, the California Energy Commission estimates that 1.2 million public charging stations will be needed by 2030. They currently have 73,000. Do you think adding more than a million charging stations will put a strain on the already overworked power grid in California?
One of four things needs to happen before EVs become ubiquitous: Massive upgrades of the power grid, massive gains in renewable energy technology to allow the vehicle to charge itself, massive advances in energy transfer so that recharging time is similar to filling up an ICE vehicle, or massive improvement in battery storage capacity. Without one of those four things happening, any effort to force the transition is going to result in problems. An increase in capacity would be the best solution, in my opinion, but really all of them need to be pursued.
Norway, with around 70% electric vehicles, has 300 charging stations per 100k people. The United States currently has 30. We are a long way from being ready for EVs in every driveway.
How much is the extra demand? I see the complaint a lot, but never an analysis of why EVs are going to wipe out the grid.
I don't have your answer, but here is a reality check.
The single biggest user of electricity in the home is air conditioning. This is used all summer, usually 3 to 4 months throughout California.
Air conditioning averages about 10 or 12 kilowatt hours per day.
An electric car uses 15 kilowatt hours to go 50 miles. If you have a 20 mile daily commute and have to drive another 10 miles for errands or to pick up the kids, you have used 50% more power than air conditioning. Tripple that if you have an hour commute.
So having all BEVs in California will add 150% to 300% more electric use than what you currently use for air conditioning. That said, lots of folks only need 3-4 months AC in California. Since driving is year round, then we are talking 6 to 8 times more energy use if everybody owns a car, than the sum total of all electricity used for AC in the home today.
I realize that business use a lot of air conditioning, so it is not as if BEVs would use 6 times all AC, just home AC.
So while I can't do the math, that should give you a solid idea.
Meanwhile, if global warming is really true, at the same time BEVs demand more electricity, we will be using more an more AC as the climate warms up. So we will be increasing all this electric demand for cars at the worst possible time.
I don't have your answer, but here is a reality check.
The single biggest user of electricity in the home is air conditioning. This is used all summer, usually 3 to 4 months throughout California.
Air conditioning averages about 10 or 12 kilowatt hours per day.
An electric car uses 15 kilowatt hours to go 50 miles. If you have a 20 mile daily commute and have to drive another 10 miles for errands or to pick up the kids, you have used 50% more power than air conditioning. Tripple that if you have an hour commute.
So having all BEVs in California will add 150% to 300% more electric use than what you currently use for air conditioning. That said, lots of folks only need 3-4 months AC in California. Since driving is year round, then we are talking 6 to 8 times more energy use if everybody owns a car, than the sum total of all electricity used for AC in the home today.
I realize that business use a lot of air conditioning, so it is not as if BEVs would use 6 times all AC, just home AC.
So while I can't do the math, that should give you a solid idea.
Meanwhile, if global warming is really true, at the same time BEVs demand more electricity, we will be using more an more AC as the climate warms up. So we will be increasing all this electric demand for cars at the worst possible time.
Over the last 20 years, CA has increased electricity generation capacity by just under 50%. In the same time, AC units are up to 58% more efficient than they used to be. If they sustain that rate through 2055 (an estimate of when you will have all BEVs in California), it doesn't look too bad. Even if you don't consider AC unit efficiency.
Over the last 20 years, CA has increased electricity generation capacity by just under 50%. In the same time, AC units are up to 58% more efficient than they used to be. If they sustain that rate through 2055 (an estimate of when you will have all BEVs in California), it doesn't look too bad. Even if you don't consider AC unit efficiency.
Where are you getting this from. Ca has been importing power for many many years.
You have some data to back this up. This goes against everything I'v heard and read about our power sutuation here for the last 25 plus yrs.
Why does every single news outlet here talk about the shortage, always having rolling blackouts.
Jeezus, you don't live here, you have no f ing clue.
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