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So, you buy your car in Nevada or Arizona.
They can't eliminate gas stations. There will be a huge number of gas-powered vehicles, probably for generations. Car collectors will want gas for antique cars. People drive to California on vacation. So, police cars will be electric, too? How long would electric police cars have followed O.J? Will there be electric motorcycles for motorcycle gangs? If there is any place where the concept should be tested, it is there.
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Originally Posted by Axxlrod
Where's all the electricity going to come from? There isn't enough electricity to go around now.
For those of you who are against any sort of electric vehicles, you do realize that this has happened many times through history, right?
1. Engines replacing horse and buggies
2. Printing presses replacing scribes
3. Robots replacing factory workers
4. Diesel and electric trains replacing steam locomotives
I would imagine that within 20yr, the majority of passenger vehicles will be electric. As technology catches up, electric vehicles will become cheaper and become more efficient.
Think about cell phones from 20yr ago compared to today's phones.
Very few are against electric vehicles. The problem is the government trying to force the transition rather than letting the market evolve naturally. Motorized vehicles did not replace the horse and buggy because the government mandated it. The transition happened because a motor was more powerful, convenient, and economical than a horse. The transition to electric vehicles should be allowed to follow the same trajectory. The technology for a full switchover to electric vehicles does not exist yet, and forcing the transition is going to result in a lot of avoidable consequences.
Electricity generation in California is 50.2% natural-gas.
Correct... which your document points out is more efficient than gasoline ICE. You've now come full circle in pointing out why your initial statement was inaccurate.
Very few are against electric vehicles. The problem is the government trying to force the transition rather than letting the market evolve naturally. Motorized vehicles did not replace the horse and buggy because the government mandated it. The transition happened because a motor was more powerful, convenient, and economical than a horse. The transition to electric vehicles should be allowed to follow the same trajectory. The technology for a full switchover to electric vehicles does not exist yet, and forcing the transition is going to result in a lot of avoidable consequences.
Motor vehicles replaced rail for long distance travel because the government funded national highways... while rail was always built by private businesses.
I do agree with you that market forces should be utilized here... that includes removing subsidies for purchasing EVs and remove subsidies and expenditures in the oil industry.
Correct... which your document points out is more efficient than gasoline ICE. You've now come full circle in pointing out why your initial statement was inaccurate.
Battery-powered electric-vehicles have attributable carbon-release. The incremental difference in carbon-release between electric-vehicles and internal-combustion-engined vehicles doesn't solve the problem of carbon-release.
Battery-powered electric-vehicles have attributable carbon-release. The incremental difference in carbon-release between electric-vehicles and internal-combustion-engined vehicles doesn't solve the problem of carbon-release.
Sure. But this is not incremental. Nearly 50% of California's electricity comes from non-fossil fuel power generation. The rest is mostly ng which is more efficient than gasoline ICE.
Sure. But this is not incremental. Nearly 50% of California's electricity comes from non-fossil fuel power generation. The rest is mostly ng which is more efficient than gasoline ICE.
But note that California is at risk of losing both hydroelectric power and nuclear power.
And there is the previous point that as more and more electric-vehicles begin charging on the powergrid then the percentage of green-energy in the powergrid will decrease. The situation of increasing electric-vehicle use then works against itself
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Wow. Another brand-new forum member who just joined a few minutes ago. And he already knows how to use fonts (well, the thinks he does), how to present Youtube videos, etc. And he's telling us quite a lot about what "the right" thinks, what the GOP is doing, etc.... all learned in the last few minutes?
Did you, by any chance, learn these things on this forum a while ago, when you used a different account and a different name? What did you call yourself earlier today, or perhaps yesterday? And why did you have to get a new account and a new name?
Sure. And now you've come full circle to show the inaccuracies with your initial post.
The California link shows 65.2% non-renewables and 34.8% renewables.
There's no point in moving nuclear and hydro to renewables since they are at risk of losing those categories of electricity generation.
California is the number-three state for amount of renewable energy. However, they turn the powergrid off on windy days.
But battery-powered electric-vehicles have attributable carbon-release. It makes a difference, on energy use, how much those vehicles weigh and how big their battery packs are. They can't run any size electric-vehicle and say that's an improvement.
Certainly, at this link look at both Figure 17 and Figure 18 on Page 19:
However, 34.8% renewables is not a low-carbon grid and Figure 17 is not correct for California. Furthermore, 34.8% renewable energy makes California as only the number-eight state
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