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At some point, the horse and buggy become obsolete.
You think that's it's something else, because of course.
The horse and buggy became obsolete because there was no longer demand for horse and buggy after the automobile became more efficient, convenient, and economical. That is not the case with the trajectory of ICE vehicles. EVs are not as convenient or economical as ICE vehicles yet, and efficiency is also questionable. The reason the auto manufacturers have a transition plan is because previous legislation forced them to create one.
Excellent news for China. So much market share in the battery mineral mining industry. Great news for any foreign supplier of fossil fuels that are needed to produce the batteries for electric vehicles. it’s going to be a windfall for them once the rest of the country gets on the bandwagon.
Indeed. China is building something like 30 new coal plants now. While the insane suicidal West shuts down generators and decides their best bet for power would be the very nation they formed NATO to defend against.
I don't know how you can get much crazier than that. But if things continue with the reality-challenged self-righteous loonies, China and Russia will be carving up the West by 2050 at the latest. It's been a good run. But when the inmates are running the asylum, we have a problem, Houston.
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Well they can spend their $95 billion surplus on charging stations, I suppose.
Yeah, California has a budget "surplus" and I'm Christopher Columbus and I claim the New World for Andorra.
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lol Newsom will be gone and we'll see how the California Air Resources Board's "rulings" hold up in court.
Not to mention when reality strikes. Being insane is apparently lots of fun.
The horse and buggy became obsolete because there was no longer demand for horse and buggy after the automobile became more efficient, convenient, and economical. That is not the case with the trajectory of ICE vehicles. EVs are not as convenient or economical as ICE vehicles yet, and efficiency is also questionable. The reason the auto manufacturers have a transition plan is because previous legislation forced them to create one.
The EV is the horse and buggy in this century's automotive debate.
EVs were considered - and rejected for many sound reasons - at the dawn of the automotive age. Nothing has changed....except for our population explosion of lemmings thirsting to be led by any lying moron down any disastrous path.
Now a state might be able to set a maximum weight for non-commercial vehicles. But if the stated purpose is to reduce carbon-release, or to reduce electric-vehicle attributable carbon-release, or to reduce other air pollutants, then it might require an EPA waiver
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The EV is the horse and buggy in this century's automotive debate.
EVs were considered - and rejected for many sound reasons - at the dawn of the automotive age. Nothing has changed....except for our population explosion of lemmings thirsting to be led by any lying moron down any disastrous path.
Hybrids use less gas than ICE cars because it’s more efficient to run an electric motor off a battery being charged by an internal gasoline generator. Same principle applies with EVs, except you run off the electric grid. If the whole grid was running off oil and gas power plants you’d still use less oil powering the EVs than running the same number of ICE vehicles. Everyone is big on energy independence, the less domestic oil we waste, the less we need to buy from the Saudis. EVs are one of the ways we get there
Hybrids use less gas than ICE cars because it’s more efficient to run an electric motor off a battery being charged by an internal gasoline generator. Same principle applies with EVs, except you run off the electric grid. If the whole grid was running off oil and gas power plants you’d still use less oil powering the EVs than running the same number of ICE vehicles. Everyone is big on energy independence, the less domestic oil we waste, the less we need to buy from the Saudis. EVs are one of the ways we get there
As far as technical and engineering aspects , you are probably correct. As far as efficiency for the consumer, to own, and operate, we aren't there yet. Sure, they work great for some people, but they won't for all, at the moment.
Due to virtue signaling and ignorant Democrat Virginia legislatures Virginia enacted a law that says Virginia must follow California's lead/rules on emissions & cars. Yes Virginia no gas powered cars in 2035.
Governor Youngkin trying to do something about it.
Yea, but then so would drinkable water in most of Utah and Nevada.
That is a very silly argument. Water is needed to sustain all life, not just human life, all life. Neither the market nor the politicians decided that, the laws of nature decided that a billion years ago.
I dont think people really care one way or another if a car is electric or gas. Ev's tend to just not have any style and come in 2 or 3 colors and the ones on the lot tend to be the premium ones because the cheapest ones were bought on day one. And yes, there is still a charging problem
That's a really silly position to take. Of course people care if they are buying an EV. Before people decide to buy an EV, they check to see whether their are enough charging stations near them. Will they need to pay to have one install at home, is there one at work, etc...
People do not wonder if gas stations near them to fuel their ICE car. They do care if there are not enough EV charging stations around. And it's not just whether the streets have enough charging stations. They will definitely need a dedicated charging station at home, and maybe one at work as well.
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The EV is the horse and buggy in this century's automotive debate. 
