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Old 05-31-2009, 12:33 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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I am so so so so sorry and sad to hear that.

This is why National health care is needed.
Yep. A few months before he went in, he was complaining about not being able to...well...ejaculate. He joked about cancer but I think he was afraid he actually had it. Turns out that's exactly what he died of, testicular cancer. He went to one of those free clinics because he was having trouble breathing, & they said he had "inflamed lungs". He deteriorated quickly, to the point where he needed a walker to go down the stairs of our building. The moral of my story is that when people don't have insurance, they're more apt to not go to the doctor to seek treatment because of the bills. In this case, he DID go to a free clinic & was diagnosed completely wrong.
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Old 05-31-2009, 12:38 PM
 
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The cost drops are associated with removing pointless bloated cosmetic and other similar protections that essentially attempt to force the insurance company to pay for every single little cost. Remove all those and the risk associate with their coverage is reduced to emergency injury and serious illness covering the expenses that are related to them.

LOL! Few if any insurance pays for strictly cosmetic surgery. What you eliminated is plastic surgery in case you're in an accident. Unless your emergency fund is huge, you're not going to be able to cover that! That is just one example.
Plastic surgery? I thought we were talking about poor dying people not getting the help they need and now you are changing it to poor dying people needing cosmetic surgery?

What I eliminated was the tons of small coverages that nickle and dime a person on their coverage. It is extensive coverages that provide quit smoking, acupuncture, counseling for mental stress, so on and so forth. The list is endless and my protection doesn't kick in until a certain amount. Needless to say, I have thought ahead and put aside money for those situations so I can pay out of pocket up to a point and then if under special circumstances it goes beyond that, my insurance kicks in.

The insurance company realizes I am taking a large portion of responsibility for my everyday medical needs and is there simply for the "what if" scenarios of coverage which is exactly what insurance is supposed to be for. Those looking to have everything covered right down to their teeth whitening, implants, and new age stress therapy are paying for it in stupid premiums. I guess you also feel that those poor people need help buying cars and homes as well when they so stupidly sign up for that 50k car at 21% interest and buy that big expensive house on multiple loans. Sure... it isn't the irresponsible nature of the people, its the big evil companies taking advantage. While I do not agree with them doing that, one can not discount the irresponsible and expect the responsible to pay for them.

Look, have your health care. Do what you like, but leave me out of it. If you want this Utopian ideal, then get all the fools together and you can pool your money for it while I pay for my own using my own decisions and freedoms to choose. What's that? You can't make it work unless you tax the hell out of the responsible? No kidding? What a surprise!
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Old 05-31-2009, 12:40 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Yep. A few months before he went in, he was complaining about not being able to...well...ejaculate. He joked about cancer but I think he was afraid he actually had it. Turns out that's exactly what he died of, testicular cancer. He went to one of those free clinics because he was having trouble breathing, & they said he had "inflamed lungs". He deteriorated quickly, to the point where he needed a walker to go down the stairs of our building. The moral of my story is that when people don't have insurance, they're more apt to not go to the doctor to seek treatment because of the bills. In this case, he DID go to a free clinic & was diagnosed completely wrong.
To lose someone is tragic, to lose someone because of inadequate health care is criminal. Everyday, people die of Cancer, Heart Attacks etc. It is shamefull that in such a amazing country as America that the health service is third rate, unless you can afford health insurance. It's the i'm ok jack attitude of the people with health insurance that is so disgusting. "I'm ok so the poor can go to bad hospitals and get bad diagnosis,,doesn't affect me" or the "what are YOU whining about.. its YOUR family that may die, not mine so suck it up"
I looked at the Hospitals quoted earlier and NONE of them give free cancer treatment.
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Old 05-31-2009, 12:41 PM
 
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The American constitution has at various times been amended. It is equiped for that to happen. Using the constitution as a reason not to get a UHC is ludicrous. The founding fathers idea of medicine was a quick read of the bible. This is not the same world as in the day of the puritans, if it was i'm sure that many things we accept as normal would be banned.
Health is NOT a luxury item just for those who can afford it but the aeguments against America having a 21st century health system for all are based on pure selfishness and a absolute fear of not being first in the line where health is concerned.
The old "the founders were stupid and not as evolved and understanding as us". Pure garbage, the founders spoke of your position frequently. It is under the majority using government to oppress minorities out of self interest. Arrogance leads to ignorant people making ignorant claims.
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Old 05-31-2009, 12:50 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Plastic surgery? I thought we were talking about poor dying people not getting the help they need and now you are changing it to poor dying people needing cosmetic surgery?

What I eliminated was the tons of small coverages that nickle and dime a person on their coverage. It is extensive coverages that provide quit smoking, acupuncture, counseling for mental stress, so on and so forth. The list is endless and my protection doesn't kick in until a certain amount. Needless to say, I have thought ahead and put aside money for those situations so I can pay out of pocket up to a point and then if under special circumstances it goes beyond that, my insurance kicks in.

The insurance company realizes I am taking a large portion of responsibility for my everyday medical needs and is there simply for the "what if" scenarios of coverage which is exactly what insurance is supposed to be for. Those looking to have everything covered right down to their teeth whitening, implants, and new age stress therapy are paying for it in stupid premiums. I guess you also feel that those poor people need help buying cars and homes as well when they so stupidly sign up for that 50k car at 21% interest and buy that big expensive house on multiple loans. Sure... it isn't the irresponsible nature of the people, its the big evil companies taking advantage. While I do not agree with them doing that, one can not discount the irresponsible and expect the responsible to pay for them.

Look, have your health care. Do what you like, but leave me out of it. If you want this Utopian ideal, then get all the fools together and you can pool your money for it while I pay for my own using my own decisions and freedoms to choose. What's that? You can't make it work unless you tax the hell out of the responsible? No kidding? What a surprise!
You want to pay through the nose for a mediocre health system...fine but don't expect the normal hard working American to accept this blackmail from private health companies. Have you ever read a Hospitals disclaimer about what insurance companies they are contracted with or not, or whether you have to pay up front before you can recieve treatment. It is good reading and quite frightening. NO ONE is going to take away your cherished gold plated health insurance but at the moment it is the people who are too poor to pay or not got enough to pay premiums who have NO health care cover. This is NOT by choice but purely economics. Lucky you for being able to put money aside. Many can't no matter how many jobs they have. Health is a right not a privilege
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Old 05-31-2009, 12:51 PM
 
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I agree that reconstructive plastic surgery should be covered, but not plastic surgery simply because you don't like the way you look. I also think that if viagra is covered, than birth control also should be covered.
why? If your nose is removed in an accident, but in terms of pure medical issue, you are able to function and live without danger to your health, why should we have to pay for you to look better? This is exactly why this subjective garbage needs to be left to the individual to pay for and decide.

We will get it all though and when the system gets inundated with useless demands for issues like these, the bureaucrats will step in and decide for us. So, rather than you being able to pay for and decide on the operation for vanity, they will and it won't stop there. Those decisions will then flood over to issues where health will be an issue, but because of some stupid politicians last word on the spending, you will get the absolute minimum acceptable to meet their definition of "safe or healthy".

Not all will though. This again won't affect the rich and in power nor will it effect the poor. They will go on living the same as they always have, but it will be the middle class that will be obliterated by this. That's the plan though, you can't have control if you have a middle class. Get rid of them and you have those with money to which you can cater to and the poor to lead on like little puppets with their hands out.
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Old 05-31-2009, 12:54 PM
 
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Universal Health Care in one form or another is coming to this country... and it is about time!!!

All you rich, egotistical, greedy b-a-s-t-a-r-d-s out there who don't want to pay one red cent to help others - read my lips - I don't give a damn and neither does the majority of the country!!!

You are going to pay into whatever system is mandated, just as you pay into Social Security, Medicare, and Income Taxes...

If you don't like it - leave the country and stop your BPMing...
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Old 05-31-2009, 12:57 PM
 
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You want to pay through the nose for a mediocre health system...fine but don't expect the normal hard working American to accept this blackmail from private health companies. Have you ever read a Hospitals disclaimer about what insurance companies they are contracted with or not, or whether you have to pay up front before you can recieve treatment. It is good reading and quite frightening. NO ONE is going to take away your cherished gold plated health insurance but at the moment it is the people who are too poor to pay or not got enough to pay premiums who have NO health care cover. This is NOT by choice but purely economics. Lucky you for being able to put money aide. Many can't no matter how many jobs they have. Health is a right not a privilege
Mediocre? I have excellent insurance. It is exactly as I want it to be. I pay for what I choose to and they pay the rest. I can go anywhere to get treatment, I have NO waits and complete freedom of choice. In your system though, I will be told like the good little collective moron I am told to be. No thanks.

I put money aside because I am responsible. I have lived at the bottom, worked my way up. I saved money when I was making barely enough to live. People do not save money because they are too busy blowing it on crap they think they need. They are spoiled and obsessed with chasing the popular and idiotic. You can quote me that special case, but that is an exception, not the rule. The majority of those having problems are having them of their own choices, their own decisions and you want to absolve them of their responsibility with extreme stories about poor billy being born with a special disease and a rare requirement in a family of hard knocks. It is a sucker story meant to hide the fact that it isn't the common story.

Pay for it yourself and keep your hands out of my money. You didn't earn it, it is not yours and contrary to idiotic popular belief, it is none of your damn business.
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Old 05-31-2009, 01:00 PM
 
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Universal Health Care in one form or another is coming to this country... and it is about time!!!

All you rich, egotistical, greedy b-a-s-t-a-r-d-s out there who don't want to pay one red cent to help others - read my lips - I don't give a damn and neither does the majority of the country!!!

You are going to pay into whatever system is mandated, just as you pay into Social Security, Medicare, and Income Taxes...

If you don't like it - leave the country and stop your BPMing...
The Federalist #10

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From this view of the subject it may be concluded that a pure democracy, by which I mean a society consisting of a small number of citizens, who assemble and administer the government in person, can admit of no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will, in almost every case, be felt by a majority of the whole; a communication and concert result from the form of government itself; and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party or an obnoxious individual. Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions.
Keep pushing and there will be something else coming as well.
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Old 05-31-2009, 01:02 PM
 
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The Federalist #10

Keep pushing and there will be something else coming as well.
More BS scare tactics... nothing more...

The 'faction' that you warn about is an elite, over-priviledged upper-class that uses the working class as a vehicle to profits - and nothing more.

Note the heated 'passion' that follows when you suggest that the rich pay 1% more in income taxes, or that the severe inequality in income distribution be lessened, or that the safety-net of limited entitlements be strengthened, or capital gains tax be increased by a fraction... THEN you hear quite angry, passionate diatribe and threats... from the rich and powerful...
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