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So very true. I don't need a "hot" mate. But just as a man wants a woman he personally finds attractive, it is the same way for me regarding men. Anyway, these so-called beauty and so-called beast situations rarely work out. That's a fairytale. What "beauty" has such depth that she would fall for a man that could not even (generously so) be categorized as attractive? What so-called beast is so spiritually pure, mature and secure, he can deal with the down-sides of dating an extraordinarily attractive woman? Such as, other men hitting on her?
There are beautiful young women who marry old busted up hideous trolls. Granted, money is involved, but still, it works out for some people. Maybe the young woman is happen with the money and the old man is happy he gets to fool around with a young woman.
Also, maybe the ugly dude has sex so great he has the hot chick blown out of her mind. Not all "ugly" man hot chick pairings are about money. Or perhaps she was lonely. Who knows? It's really impossible to speak for other people like that.
In that case, you are rare. Your views are in the minority from what I've observed and experienced in real life, as well as various internet discussion boards.
The problem with observations is we don't see most of the world, but only a tiny corner of it. Many Latin, Asian, and Italian men are short, yet these men have no problem propagating. For that matter, there are many short guys in the US. Again, no problem propagating.
Kevin Hart, an actor, is 5'1" and is married. The average American guy is 5'9" so most men are not THAT all. I'm 6'2" and depending on what store I go to, finding clothes my size can be hard. Tall men are rare. Most guys are just a few inches taller than the average woman.
It's my experience that people lose their inhibitions when drunk, and this is true of men and women, gay or straight. So any woman going out to mixers or other events who can't get booze would have to look like Godzilla's sister. Because people get a lot more attractive when drunk, so if booze can't help you I'm afraid it's hopeless!
Writerdude, you were talking about women going to classes, volunteer work, and church. The suggestions you were making weren't venues where booze would be involved. And Newbie's right, to some extent. Sometimes events end up like the Middle School dance--the guys on one side, and girls on the other, and never the twain shall meet. It's weird. I didn't know it was because the guys had written off the women as chopped liver, though. Thanx, Newbie, for the insight. ...I think.
Writerdude, you were talking about women going to classes, volunteer work, and church. The suggestions you were making weren't venues where booze would be involved. And Newbie's right, to some extent. Sometimes events end up like the Middle School dance--the guys on one side, and girls on the other, and never the twain shall meet. It's weird. I didn't know it was because the guys had written off the women as chopped liver, though. Thanx, Newbie, for the insight. ...I think.
I was talking about people going to a variety of events, with and without booze and I gave classes, volunteer work, and churches as some of the common places without alcohol. She mentioned mixers, which are events with alcohol.
Also, if the men are over there talking it's not going to kill a woman to go over their to approach a guy and have a conversation. If she's afraid to do this, she has no social skills outside of talking to men in her direct family.
Lack of social skills certainly would hinder you in meeting a man. Obviously some women here do not have male friends.
Stop using the way you claim men to justify your own issues. I honestly think your problem is psychological and cannot be resolved on this board. You might seek help and work out whatever your real issue is.
Or you can learn to enjoy the single life. Not everyone marries.
Since you know me so well, what issues are you referring to lol?
I was talking about people going to a variety of events, with and without booze and I gave classes, volunteer work, and churches as some of the common places without alcohol. She mentioned mixers, which are events with alcohol.
Also, if the men are over there talking it's not going to kill a woman to go over their to approach a guy and have a conversation. If she's afraid to do this, she has no social skills outside of talking to men in her direct family.
Lack of social skills certainly would hinder you in meeting a man. Obviously some women here do not have male friends.
You'd better re-read the post. He said even when women go over and talk to the guys, nothing happens. His point was pretty clear that per his observation, it's not about the women's social skills. It's about the guys being picky. I would add that it seems to be about the guys being passive. But what do I know? Maybe Newbie's right, maybe the guys have high standards, and aren't motivated to talk to plain, average women.
I don't know why you keep harping on women's social skills. Women do approach men, but often get rebuffed.
Writerdude, you were talking about women going to classes, volunteer work, and church. The suggestions you were making weren't venues where booze would be involved. And Newbie's right, to some extent. Sometimes events end up like the Middle School dance--the guys on one side, and girls on the other, and never the twain shall meet. It's weird. I didn't know it was because the guys had written off the women as chopped liver, though. Thanx, Newbie, for the insight. ...I think.
I think it's more plausible that 1. guys are reluctant to approach women and 2. the women reject the few who approach pretty handily. Back when I went to those events, I gave up pretty quickly after getting nowhere with the women I did attempt to have conversations with.
I think it's more plausible that 1. guys are reluctant to approach women and 2. the women reject the few who approach pretty handily. Back when I went to those events, I gave up pretty quickly after getting nowhere with the women I did attempt to have conversations with.
Maybe it's how you go about matters. If you approach a woman thinking of her as a potential bedmate, then you're going to get shot down. If, on the other hand, you just stroll up and talk to her without an agenda, then it's something totally different. I know that sounds like jujitsu, but it's really true.
Heck, when I met my wife, I was just telling a funny story at a party to someone else I just me. I wasn't there to meet anyone or go home with anyone.
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Maybe it's how you go about matters. If you approach a woman thinking of her as a potential bedmate, then you're going to get shot down. If, on the other hand, you just stroll up and talk to her without an agenda, then it's something totally different. I know that sounds like jujitsu, but it's really true.
Heck, when I met my wife, I was just telling a funny story at a party to someone else I just me. I wasn't there to meet anyone or go home with anyone.
Completely true. Just talking to people for the fun of talking to people. I'm pretty introverted, but I force myself to go out and do it. My past couple of people I dated were just people I ran into out and about (bus stop, bar) chatted with and things just happened. I had no agenda, I was just there.
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