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Religious forums? Seems like a waste of time and electrons. Why post on a forum of which is devoted to a subject of which holds no relevance to one. I don’t knit or fly airplanes. I don’t visit knitting or airplane forums. So why all the none-spiritual people on this forum? Uncertain about one’s belief system? Perhaps.
If I’ve asked this question before, forgive me. I am simply perplexed.
Xian believers contend with unbelievers, it's just the flip side of that coin. Trying to save the Xians from their errors and evil ways.
Xian believers contend with unbelievers, it's just the flip side of that coin. Trying to save the Xians from their errors and evil ways.
it can be. There are personally types that think they are saving people because they know what's best for the rest of us. now list the different types of beliefs. like liberal, conservative, atheist, and theism. then predict how they would present the beifielf or argue against the other beliefs.
Maybe it requires a definition of terms, but I'm trying to think of how it would even look for the "scientific method" to reveal the cause of space, time, matter and energy, given that such a cause would have to transcend all these things and therefore be immaterial (non-physical).
This is, of course, why all the talk of creation ex nihilo in the first place.
Please explain? That sounds like an assumption to me. As far as what it might look like I don't know.
Please explain? That sounds like an assumption to me. As far as what it might look like I don't know.
Well in order to bring something into existence, you have to transcend (be outside of or independent of) that something. So that if space and time themselves had a cause, it would be some sort of spaceless and timeless entity. And from spacelessness comes immateriality, since matter requires space in which to exist.
Well in order to bring something into existence, you have to transcend (be outside of or independent of) that something. So that if space and time themselves had a cause, it would be some sort of spaceless and timeless entity. And from spacelessness comes immateriality, since matter requires space in which to exist.
we "create cars. we and the car are part of the same system. In fact, if we were not we couldn't create the car?
Well in order to bring something into existence, you have to transcend (be outside of or independent of) that something. So that if space and time themselves had a cause, it would be some sort of spaceless and timeless entity. And from spacelessness comes immateriality, since matter requires space in which to exist.
Does it also follow that there wouldn't be evidence, perhaps even proof, of that contained within the the material? That is of course, if there really was such a being.
we "create cars. we and the car are part of the same system. In fact, if we were not we couldn't create the car?
Yeah, but it's not like the car is part of you; you're still separate entities.
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Does it also follow that there wouldn't be evidence, perhaps even proof, of that contained within the the material? That is of course, if there really was such a being.
I guess if said being left some sort of imprint in his/her/its creations? But it's not like we can really expect anything specific, in terms of what's visible. Causes which are themselves physical, sure, but not immaterial beings like gods, ghosts, or other "spirits".
Yeah, but it's not like the car is part of you; you're still separate entities.
I guess if said being left some sort of imprint in his/her/its creations? But it's not like we can really expect anything specific, in terms of what's visible. Causes which are themselves physical, sure, but not immaterial beings like gods, ghosts, or other "spirits".
yeah, that's right, I and the car are separate things in a system. But that's not even true is it? But I see your point.
so, the math says we could shoot a proton at a black whole, at the correct angle, and that single particle would reach the entries of the early universe. Could it produce a white whole?
we would probably see the effects of the thing. In some way. and if there is no possible way of seeing it there is no need to even bring it up as a possibility. we don't lay out "nothing" data and describe how it works based on that. we use only what we do know.
it can be. There are personally types that think they are saving people because they know what's best for the rest of us. now list the different types of beliefs. like liberal, conservative, atheist, and theism. then predict how they would present the beifielf or argue against the other beliefs.
I still think that all of this still misses the real deal.
The actual reason most of the Atheists that post to this "RELIGION AND SPIRITUALITY" forum do so...in the way they do, and the amount they do it...is because they get off on insulting, bashing, and mocking Religion and Theists.
The proof of this is what they post: The most insulting, condescending things possible. And the degree to which they do it: Tens of thousands of posts over the course of many years.
They have to know that any claim of doing it to "Shield Society from the Threat of Theology/Theism" is bogus...no method could have worse effectiveness-to-effort ratio.
I still think that all of this still misses the real deal.
The actual reason most of the Atheists that post to this "RELIGION AND SPIRITUALITY" forum do so...in the way they do, and the amount they do it...is because they get off on insulting, bashing, and mocking Religion and Theists.
The proof of this is what they post: The most insulting, condescending things possible. And the degree to which they do it: Tens of thousands of posts over the course of many years.
They have to know that any claim of doing it to "Shield Society from the Threat of Theology/Theism" is bogus...no method could have worse effectiveness-to-effort ratio.
I don’t believe in ‘God’; and yet, I absolutely agree with you. One glance at many of the threads is all the ‘proof’ (no pun intended) one needs to back this up.
No matter what religion a person is, we don’t belong in people’s homes - and, collectively or individually, we aren’t here to ‘save’ anyone (isn’t that a religious stance?). The exception, of course - is when it becomes a matter of law.
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