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And those books are based on humans writing down stuff thousands of years ago. It has no scientific evidence. I can post buddhist writings on reincarnation, again thats not evidence.
When you're dead, you will be an inanimate piece of decomposing meat. There's no reason to believe a magic ghost lives inside you and will suddenly come to life after you die. That's just wishful thinking by people who can't handle the fact that life is finite.
Modern science has a pretty good grasp of how "seeing" works. Light waves are translated into energy empulses in the rods and cones of the eyes, and then sent to the brain to be processed. For example, the color "red" is just an interpretation given to you by your brain of light waves at a certain frequency. Human perception of light waves is different than other animal that may not have cones, or who may have a lot more rods, or who otherwise translate light waves differently.
So how does a soul, without eyes, rods, cones, optic nerves, a lob etc - how does this "soul" see anything?
Eye of the body and "sight" of the soul
The ethereal soul is a true copy of the material body, in which it is formed: the body is the mould for forming the soul from the ether particles.
Therefore, the ethereal or spiritual organs and special senses of the soul are the image of the matreial oragns and special senses of the body.
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Special senses of the soul
The eye and the sight
The ethereal eye of the soul is called the sight, and it is identical with the material eye of the body, but only it is ethereal spiritual and not matrial.
In fact it is the soul that sees, but through the eye of the body, which is like a covering or veil of the soul: it is like a semi-transparent spectacles that you wear, and will impede some of the vision: you see only part of the scene.
So the eye of the body will enable only that the material beings can be seen, while the spiritual being cannot be seen. Then when man dies, such covering will be removed, and the soul will have sharp sight and can see both the material and the spiritual beings.
This is in the Quran 50: 22
لَقَدْ كُنْتَ في غَفْلَةٍ مِنْ هذا فَكَشَفْنا عَنْكَ غِطاءَكَ فَبَصَرُكَ اليَوْمَ حَدِيدٌ
The explanation:
([It will be said to the soul of man after death]
"You were heedless of this. Now have We removed your veil from you, and sharp is your sight this day.")
It means: [The body was a veil of the soul, then when he dies this veil will be removed and then] he will be sharp-sighted or keen-sighted, so that, in the life of the World, he could only see material things; while after his death, he will become able to see both material and ethereal objects; he will become able to see souls, genies, angels and other ethereal creatures; he will be able to hear them if they talk to him, and they can hear him if he speaks to them.
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And why does it desribe the perception of sight exactly like someone with rods, cones, etc, just like a human?
I don't know exactly, but the baby cannot see unless after the age of 40 days, and the soul is identical with the structure of the body; only it is ethereal spritual not material.
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And why doesn't the soul see anything in a living blind man? For example, a person blinded in war, why doesn't his soul turn on its vision so that he can see?
The soul sees, but the eye of the body that becomes blind: like the opaque spectacles that when man wears he cannot see.
The blind is blind during awakefulness, and is seer during sleep: he sees in his dreams more than the seer sees during awakefulness.
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If a soul could see, it would have to be through a completely different mechanism than the rods and cones we use. Accordingly, the perception of sight would be a lot different.
This I don't know; I told you the description of the soul and its sight, as it is in the book Man after Death by the late interpreter of the Quran and Bible: Mohammed-Ali Hassan al-Hilly, and you can read more here:
"We see the things and recognize their colors by our sights not by our eyes, i.e. we see by the ethereal eye of the soul not by the material eye of the body. The material eye is blind and does not see anything and the seeing is by the ethereal eye. The material eye, actually, is not more than a mould for the formation of the ethereal eye."
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The fetus neither hears nor sees
And the soul cannot see, when the eye of the body is blind; because the blind material eye will impede the sight of the soul in such condition.
(1) That explaination doesn't satisfy the knowledge about the way sight works. if the soul is tranparent, the rods and cones would not register the light waves.
(2) Blind people have images that are produced by their brain, but they don't see any new information, from a sould or otherwise.
(3) Unless their is a visual impairement, babies can see at birth
(4) Why would the blind eye impede the sight of the soul? For example, lets say the eyeball was removed from the head - could the soul still see?
And you mention a photo of a tree with a branch showing that was no longer there.
Not exactly that was the meaning: but the branch of a tree with its many leaves (illuminating), in a room, which is not a usual place of planting trees.
The explanation:
If you read carefully what the inspired interpreter of the Quran and Bible said:
There are ethereal trees:
Each material tree has an ethereal spirit identical with the material tree, but spiritual and ethereal not material.
Then when the material tree dies, its spirit will separate from it, and will be alive.
If the tree is good tree: having fruits like the apple, the orange etc every fruitful tree, or the tree has good odor and nice smell, or beautiful scene with shadow ...etc. then the angels will take such trees to Paradise to be among the trees of Paradise.
But if the tree is bad with thorns, without fruits and without any nice smell, then the spirit of that tree will be left behind and no one cares about it, then the wind will break its branches: and you see a branch here and a branch there; some of such branches may go into some of our rooms, but we do not perceive any of that, because we are still material, and such branches are ethereal.
Then when one comes and take some photographs, some of such ethereal branches may appear in the photographs, in the way described above.
Why such ethereal branches and ethereal souls may appear in the photographs:
The ethereals have some emission of certain light, but this light is faint, and we commonly do not perceive such light emitted from the ethereal branches and ethereal souls:
if we use the flash, it will conceal such emitted light,
but if in dark place, without using flash light, then such emitted light will affect the sensitive photograph and the ethereal branch or the ethereal soul may appear in such instances.
Man after Death
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Bad or evil trees
I don't know exactly, but the baby cannot see unless after the age of 40 days, and the soul is identical with the structure of the body; only it is ethereal spritual not material.
Are you saying babies are are blind and cannot see anything for at least 40 days after they are born?
Now in this life of the World, as if we are in a primary school: [the life of the World],
then when we die and become souls, we shall go to the secondary school or college: [the next afterlife].
Therefore, the afterlife is superior to this World in knowledge and wisdom.
Another example: We are now like the fetus in his mother's womb: he cannot imagine the World and its marvels: rivers, seas, mountains, delicious foods, birds, various animals and plants …etc.
In the same way, we cannot imagine that world of souls or the afterlife world; we only know some information about it: in general not in precision;
We are somewhat told about the afterlife in the Torah and the Gospel,
and far more knowledge about the afterlife is included in the Glorious Quran; because it is the last revealed book, and the Quran is word by word the saying of God; the Quran is only comparable to the Ten Commandments that God Himself inscribed on the stone tables.
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(1) That explaination doesn't satisfy the knowledge about the way sight works. if the soul is tranparent, the rods and cones would not register the light waves.
I don't know exactly, but there should be such cones and rods in the ethereal form; because everything in the body has its ethereal image in the soul, which is its true copy.
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Features of the soul
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(2) Blind people have images that are produced by their brain, but they don't see any new information, from a sould or otherwise.
During the deep sleep, the soul departs temporarily from the body, and goes in tourism in the world of souls, to meet what it meets of its relatives or otherwise, then it will return to the body when this body has enough rest.
Almost the soul will forget its observations in the world of souls, after it returns to its body, and the man will awake; some strong events in the world of souls may remain in its memory in the form of dreams.
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The sleep
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(3) Unless their is a visual impairement, babies can see at birth
Now, they say so; and it is not correct.
Actually the baby is blind till the age of 40 days, and you can do yourself some tests to check this of the baby.
See this here: Man after Death
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The fetus neither hears nor sees
" A: Approach to an infant, and sit near to him, on condition that his age does not exceed ten days, then shout near his head, you will see that the baby does not move or cry; for he is deaf and cannot hear any thing of your voice.
Then make another examination of this baby: that is to pass your hand in front of his eyes and you will see that he does not close his eyes and that his eyelids do not blink; that is because he is blind and cannot see anything.
Then, carefully, watch his eyes and look at his pupils, you will see that his gaze does not direct to a certain object but he is like the blind.
Then watch him when he sucks his mother's breast; he does not see the nipple in order to engulf it directly, but he will move his head left and right until it will come into his mouth, then he will engulf it.
As regards to his consciousness; the baby does not understand or realize until three months after his birth; that is because the baby, at his birth, has no hearing, sight or spiritual heart, but these form gradually; that is after the compaction of the ethereal particles from which the soul has been constructed; so that, after a short period of time: when those ethereal particles will adhere to each other, you will see that he hears, sees and becomes conscious; because, during this period, the ethereal special senses have been formed for his soul.
B: Now do another test to confirm that:
Approach the baby with whom you did the first experiment, and sit near him, on the condition that he has exceeded forty days of age, then shout near him with a low shout; it is enough to sneeze near his head, then you will see him awake and cry because your voice has annoyed him; as if you have stricken him with a stick; for he has started to hear.
Then pass your hand in front of his eyes, and you will see him close his eyes and blink his eyelids; for he has started to see.
Then observe his pupils: you will see his gaze directing towards objects, specially to the light.
Then watch him when his mother suckles him, you will see him engulf the nipple of her breast directly and does not move his head as was he doing at the beginning.
From these observations, you will know that, during this short period of time, the hearing, sight and spiritual heart have been formed for the baby; after he was not hearing, not seeing, and after being unable to understand.
• God - be exalted - said in the Quran 16: 78
واللهُ أخْرَجَكُمْ مِنْ بُطُونِ أُمّهاتِكُمْ لا تَعْلَمُونَ شَيْئاً وجَعََلَ لَكُمُ السّمْعَ والأبْصارَ والأفْئِدَةَ لَعَلّكُمْ تَشْكُرُون
The explanation:
( And God brought you forth [O people] from the wombs of your mothers when you knew nothing, and He assigned for you the hearing and eye-sights and [spiritual] hearts: that you be thankful [to God.] )
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Therefore, (and He assigned for you the hearing and eye-sights and [spiritual] hearts) means: After you got out of your mothers' wombs, He made for your souls – the hearing, the sight and [spiritual] hearts; that you may thank your Lord, and show gratitude to Him.
So, the 'hearing' is the ear of the soul; the 'sight' is the eye of the soul; and the 'spiritual heart' is the heart of the soul."
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(4) Why would the blind eye impede the sight of the soul? For example, lets say the eyeball was removed from the head - could the soul still see?
When man is alive in this material World, he sees by his ethereal sight of the soul, and this is only through the eye of the body;
so when the eye of the body is destroyed by any cause, the soul cannot see while it is inside the body; because the destroyed eye will be like the opaque spectacle that will impede the sight of the soul.
While when the soul gets out of the body by death or temporarily during deep sleep, then it can directly see by its sight, and nothing now does impede its sight.
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I can't get your links to work, sorry.
Are the links inaccessible? For the easy accessing, I gave the address of the site, then the contents, then from the contents to click on the particular item.
Now in this life of the World, as if we are in a primary school: [the life of the World],
then when we die and become souls, we shall go to the secondary school or college: [the next afterlife].
Therefore, the afterlife is superior to this World in knowledge and wisdom.
Another example: We are now like the fetus in his mother's womb: he cannot imagine the World and its marvels: rivers, seas, mountains, delicious foods, birds, various animals and plants …etc.
In the same way, we cannot imagine that world of souls or the afterlife world; we only know some information about it: in general not in precision;
We are somewhat told about the afterlife in the Torah and the Gospel,
and far more knowledge about the afterlife is included in the Glorious Quran; because it is the last revealed book, and the Quran is word by word the saying of God; the Quran is only comparable to the Ten Commandments that God Himself inscribed on the stone tables.
I don't know exactly, but there should be such cones and rods in the ethereal form; because everything in the body has its ethereal image in the soul, which is its true copy.
Man after Death
Then from the list of Contents, click on:
Features of the soul
During the deep sleep, the soul departs temporarily from the body, and goes in tourism in the world of souls, to meet what it meets of its relatives or otherwise, then it will return to the body when this body has enough rest.
Almost the soul will forget its observations in the world of souls, after it returns to its body, and the man will awake; some strong events in the world of souls may remain in its memory in the form of dreams.
Man after Death
Then from the list of Contents, click on:
The sleep
Now, they say so; and it is not correct.
Actually the baby is blind till the age of 40 days, and you can do yourself some tests to check this of the baby.
See this here: Man after Death
Then from the list of Contents, click on:
The fetus neither hears nor sees
" A: Approach to an infant, and sit near to him, on condition that his age does not exceed ten days, then shout near his head, you will see that the baby does not move or cry; for he is deaf and cannot hear any thing of your voice.
Then make another examination of this baby: that is to pass your hand in front of his eyes and you will see that he does not close his eyes and that his eyelids do not blink; that is because he is blind and cannot see anything.
Then, carefully, watch his eyes and look at his pupils, you will see that his gaze does not direct to a certain object but he is like the blind.
Then watch him when he sucks his mother's breast; he does not see the nipple in order to engulf it directly, but he will move his head left and right until it will come into his mouth, then he will engulf it.
As regards to his consciousness; the baby does not understand or realize until three months after his birth; that is because the baby, at his birth, has no hearing, sight or spiritual heart, but these form gradually; that is after the compaction of the ethereal particles from which the soul has been constructed; so that, after a short period of time: when those ethereal particles will adhere to each other, you will see that he hears, sees and becomes conscious; because, during this period, the ethereal special senses have been formed for his soul.
B: Now do another test to confirm that:
Approach the baby with whom you did the first experiment, and sit near him, on the condition that he has exceeded forty days of age, then shout near him with a low shout; it is enough to sneeze near his head, then you will see him awake and cry because your voice has annoyed him; as if you have stricken him with a stick; for he has started to hear.
Then pass your hand in front on his eyes, and you will see him close his eyes and blink his eyelids; for he has started to see.
Then observe his pupils: you will see his gaze directing towards objects specially to the light.
Then watch him when his mother suckles him, you will see him engulf the nipple of her breast directly and does not move his head as was he doing at the beginning.
From these observations, you will know that, during this short period of time, the hearing, sight and spiritual heart have been formed for the baby; after he was not hearing, not seeing, and after being unable to understand.
• God - be exalted - said in the Quran 16: 78
واللهُ أخْرَجَكُمْ مِنْ بُطُونِ أُمّهاتِكُمْ لا تَعْلَمُونَ شَيْئاً وجَعََلَ لَكُمُ السّمْعَ والأبْصارَ والأفْئِدَةَ لَعَلّكُمْ تَشْكُرُون
The explanation:
( And God brought you forth [O people] from the wombs of your mothers when you knew nothing, and He assigned for you the hearing and eye-sights and [spiritual] hearts: that you be thankful [to God.] )
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Therefore, (and He assigned for you the hearing and eye-sights and [spiritual] hearts) means: After you got out of your mothers' wombs, He made for your souls – the hearing, the sight and [spiritual] hearts; that you may thank your Lord, and show gratitude to Him.
So, the 'hearing' is the ear of the soul; the 'sight' is the eye of the soul; and the 'spiritual heart' is the heart of the soul."
When man is alive in this material World, he sees by his ethereal sight of the soul, and this is only through the eye of the body;
so when the eye of the body is destroyed by any cause, the soul cannot see while it is inside the body; because the destroyed eye will be like the opaque spectacle that will impede the sight of the soul.
While when the soul gets out of the body by death or temporarily during deep sleep, it then can see directly by its sight, and nothing now does impede its sight.
Are the links inaccessible?
UUMMM Sorry to tell you, babies CAN see( while hazy and in black and white) at birth and as the brain develops they can see even more and more clear, there have been many tests to prove this. Your statement of this just proves you know absolutely NOTHING about anything. Also they can hear as well, you really need to do so reading outside your weird sites and get a clue.
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