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Old 08-09-2009, 11:51 AM
 
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Good grief!! This is like a horror film!
The punishment in the afterlife, for the atheists, idolaters and associaters is more horrible than any film, and more terrible than any imagination.

For this reason, God sent the apostles to warn man about the consequences of his disbelief and ungratefulness to the grace and bounty of his Lord; and all that issues in fact from the wrong-doing: they wrong each other, and so God misguides them and will punish them in the next afterlife.

This is in the Quran 15: 49-50
نَبِّىءْ عِبَادِي أَنِّي أَنَا الْغَفُورُ الرَّحِيمُ . وَ أَنَّ عَذَابِي هُوَ الْعَذَابُ الأَلِيمَ

The explanation:
(Announce [O Mohammed] to My servants that surely I am the Most Forgiving, the Most Merciful.

And that My punishment is a most painful one.)
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Old 08-09-2009, 11:58 AM
 
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In your opinion. You know what they say about opinions, right?
This is your opinion, although to me: I think you lie to yourself: only to please some of your friends, who will not avail you anything against God.
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Old 08-09-2009, 12:17 PM
 
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This is your opinion, although to me: I think you lie to yourself: only to please some of your friends, who will not avail you anything against God.
Basic problem with your premise here. You state that you "think". Haven't seen any evidence of it yet.

You just continue to spout what you have been told, without independent thought from you.
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Old 08-09-2009, 12:17 PM
 
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So I assume that women will gain new husbands as well. Replacements for their earthly husbands, who did not satisfy them.
  • Righteous women will go to Paradise together with their righteous husbands.
This is in the Quran 13: 23
جَنَّاتُ عَدْنٍ يَدْخُلُونَهَا وَمَنْ صَلَحَ مِنْ آبَائِهِمْ وَأَزْوَاجِهِمْ وَذُرِّيَّاتِهِمْ وَالمَلاَئِكَةُ يَدْخُلُونَ عَلَيْهِم مِّن كُلِّ بَابٍ

The explanation:
(Seven gardens into which they enter

together with those – who are righteous – of their fathers, wives and seed,

and the angels shall enter unto them from every gate)

  • Wrong-doers will go to Hell together with their wives (the disbelievers and wrong-doers: like their husbands).
37: 22-23
احْشُرُوا الَّذِينَ ظَلَمُوا وَأَزْوَاجَهُمْ وَمَا كَانُوا يَعْبُدُونَ . مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ فَاهْدُوهُمْ إِلَى صِرَاطِ الْجَحِيمِ
The explanation:
([Then God will say to the angels:]

"Bring up those who wronged [their people] together with their wives [: the associaters] and [the devils] that they served [in the world of souls],"

"Apart from God, and direct them to the path of Hell.")

  • Righteous women will separate from their wrong-doing husbands, and will be given in marriage to righteous men.
  • Righteous men will separate from their wrong-doing women, and will have new wives in Paradise.
Man after Death

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Old 08-09-2009, 12:31 PM
 
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The punishment in the afterlife, for the atheists, idolaters and associaters is more horrible than any film, and more terrible than any imagination.

For this reason, God sent the apostles to warn man about the consequences of his disbelief and ungratefulness to the grace and bounty of his Lord; and all that issues in fact from the wrong-doing: they wrong each other, and so God misguides them and will punish them in the next afterlife.

This is in the Quran 15: 49-50
نَبِّىءْ عِبَادِي أَنِّي أَنَا الْغَفُورُ الرَّحِيمُ . وَ أَنَّ عَذَابِي هُوَ الْعَذَابُ الأَلِيمَ

The explanation:
(Announce [O Mohammed] to My servants that surely I am the Most Forgiving, the Most Merciful.

And that My punishment is a most painful one.)
Wouldn't it be a good idea for God to get with the program and maybe set up a blog and answer questions and clear up misunderstandings before he tortures "his children" for disobeying??
Are you happy with this God, by the way? Do you love him? Is he fair and kind and decent and forgiving and does he have reasonable expectations? Or is he more like a monster dictator who commits atrocities??
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Old 08-09-2009, 12:43 PM
 
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Without reading the entire thread, here's my idea.

After you die, what happens is nothing. Now when I say "nothing" I speak of a concept that the human mind is not entirely capable of understanding. I am not saying that God is nothing, nor am I saying that life is nothing.

I'd like to know, truly know, what nothing is so that I could speak better about this idea.

How can there be nothing, and all this creation in vain?

This is in the Quran 23: 115
أَفَحَسِبْتُمْ أَنَّمَا خَلَقْنَاكُمْ عَبَثًا وَأَنَّكُمْ إِلَيْنَا لَا تُرْجَعُونَ
The explanation:
("Did you think that We created you aimlessly, and that you would not return to Us!?")
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Old 08-09-2009, 01:31 PM
 
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Wouldn't it be a good idea for God to get with the program and maybe set up a blog and answer questions and clear up misunderstandings before he tortures "his children" for disobeying??
They are not His children, but His servants whom He created.
God revealed the Quran full of wisdom and answers all their question, but to disbelievers the Quran will increase their loss.

This is in the Quran 25: 33
وَلَا يَأْتُونَكَ بِمَثَلٍ إِلَّا جِئْنَاكَ بِالْحَقِّ وَأَحْسَنَ تَفْسِيرًا

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(And they bring you [Mohammed] no argument but We bring you [in the Quran] the true [answer as against it], and a better explanation [thereof.])

The Disagreement of the


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Are you happy with this God, by the way? Do you love him? Is he fair and kind and decent and forgiving and does he have reasonable expectations? Or is he more like a monster dictator who commits atrocities??
Of course I am happy with God my True Master the Most Gracious; and I love Him more than anyone else.
God is Fair and Just, He is Most Kind, and Glorious and Decent and Most Forgiving.

God is Most Gracious, Most Merciful and Most Kind and All-Clement; He is not any monster: which is the claim of some stheists following the footsteps of a drunkard journalist who compiled some books with the same words reviling God Most Gracious and Almighty.

Out of His mercy: He cast the mercy in the heart of the mother; in order to take care about her baby.

Out of His mercy, also, is that He revives the land by the rain, after being barren and desolate.

Out of His mercy: He gives respite to the disobedient that they may repent and resort to God, Most Clement.

This is in the Quran 16: 61
وَلَوْ يُؤَاخِذُ اللّهُ النَّاسَ بِظُلْمِهِم مَّا تَرَكَ عَلَيْهَا مِن دَآبَّةٍ وَلَكِن يُؤَخِّرُهُمْ إلَى أَجَلٍ مُّسَمًّى فَإِذَا جَاء أَجَلُهُمْ لاَ يَسْتَأْخِرُونَ سَاعَةً وَلاَ يَسْتَقْدِمُونَ

The explanation:
(If God should take men to task for their evildoing, He would not leave on [the earth] one creature that moves;

but He is deferring them to a term stated; and when their term is come they shall not put it back by a single hour nor put it forward.)
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Old 08-09-2009, 02:24 PM
 
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How can there be nothing, and all this creation in vain?
Well, considering that there was no "creation", it can't be in vain. It was and is an accident which people like you keep trying to justify.

So yes, it returns to nothing.
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Old 08-09-2009, 03:34 PM
 
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The number of ignorant, negative statements posted amazes me. You are actually calling God a liar.
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Old 08-09-2009, 04:05 PM
 
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Default What Happens After We Die?

What Happens After We Die?

No. 11 in the Series, Most Frequently Asked Questions Concerning God

Many people are concerned about what happens after death. Some say death is the absolute end of life, therefore, they live a life without fear of consequences. Others say that after death there will be a coming judgment for which people must prepare by living properly now.
There Will Be Judgment and Life after Death

The Bible tells us that God exists and a life other than our physical, tangible realm of here and now also exists. What we can see is temporal and is created by God, whom we cannot see. It is the eternal and invisible God who, for a purpose, created what is visible, including the earth, the trees, the animals, and human beings. Just as God is in the realm of eternity, so the life after death determined by the coming judgment of God is also after this presently visible realm.
Two Main Types of Life after Death [LIST=1][*]Those who fulfill God's purpose of creation, that is, those who believe that Christ died for their sins and resurrected for their justification and who take God in as life to become one with Him, will be with God, one with God, and ruling with God over the whole earth. This is the best possible thing that can happen to someone after death.[*]Those who are without God today will be apart from the loving God for eternity. They will suffer pain in the lake of fire, being burnt together with Satan (the devil) and his fallen angels. The lake of fire was not prepared for man but for Satan and his angels. However, all mankind became one with Satan as a result of the fall of Adam. Because some do not turn back to God in spite of many warnings and opportunities, God will have to give them up to spend eternity with Satan and share in his torment. This is the worst type of life after death. We hope that as many as possible will turn to God and be spared, especially you who are reading this.[/LIST]The Deciding Factor for which Type You'll Have

In order to live a life that will prepare us to face the coming judgment, we must first find out what will be rewarded and what will be disapproved. Many people have the misconception that a person who does good deeds while living on earth will go to heaven, whereas a person who does evil things will go to hell. This concept is not according to the Bible. If you read the two types of life after death carefully, you will see something different. The deciding factor for what one's life will be like for eternity is not one's behavior while on earth but rather whether or not one has believed Christ's death and resurrection and received God as life.
Man's Problem

Although man was created by God to contain Him, man was still given the choice to take God as life or to take Satan. Man chose to take Satan, who then entered man and became the sinful nature in man. Man became a sinner in his constitution and full of sins in his actions. There is now an element within man which loves unrighteousness and hates righteousness, which loves sin and darkness and hates light. All that God desired man to be, man is not. Man without God remains in sin and is dead in his spirit, the very part of man which was created to contact and contain God. If man does not repent, man is doomed to remain with Satan for eternity.
God's Salvation

But God, who is rich in mercy because of His great love with which He loves man, is not willing to see His created man become a victim of Satan and end up in the lake of fire with Satan. It is this love which motivated God to become a man to join in with victimized humanity, to die as the perfect substitute to rescue man from destruction. He then resurrected to become a life-giving Spirit to give life to all who would believe and receive Him.
When you receive Him into you, He will bring the life of God into you. God will be your life and be one with you. Then you must allow Him to grow in you to fill your whole being. This will deliver you from the Satanic nature that has been in you since your birth. The more He grows in you, the more you'll be free from Satan's tyranny. You will love as God loves. You will be righteous as God is righteous. You will express all God's divine attributes, such as love, light, holiness, righteousness, kindness, etc. After living with God, in God, and one with God on the earth, you will certainly be approved at the judgment. You will definitely have a life with God, because you already will have been enjoying His eternal life during this physical life.
If you have not yet turned back to God and received His life through Jesus Christ, your life is still filled with Satan, and you are condemned already. It does not matter how much good you try to do, you will never be that good. You may be righteous sometimes, but not all the time. You may show love to all people, but you may actually hate some of them secretly inside your heart. This is not because you have no desire to be an upright person, but because you lack the empowering of the divine life. God is God and Satan is Satan. If you have Satan but not God, you can never be perfect in this life, and you will definitely be in the lake of fire with Satan after the judgment. If you have God living inside of you, you may be as perfect as God in this life, and you will definitely be with God and one with God eternally. What you need is to receive Jesus by calling on His name and admitting to Him that you are a sinner and that you need Him as your salvation.
Pray this way: "O Lord Jesus, I know that You have created me. I know that I have sin and do not have Your life. I believe that You died for me. Lord Jesus, come into me to be my life. I want to be with You now and forever." Then you need to read the Bible and pray every day and meet with believers in oneness so that you may grow up into Him and be built with God's people. By this, you will be assured of your destiny.
Bible Verses for Your Reading:

The things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal.
— 2 Corinthians 4:18 They may see what the economy of the mystery is, which throughout the ages has been hidden in God, who created all things... According to the eternal purpose which He made in Christ Jesus our Lord,
— Ephesians 3:9,11 Because in Him all things were created... the visible and the invisible,
— Colossians 1:16 The King of the ages,... invisible, the only God
— 1 Timothy 1:17 And inasmuch as it is reserved for men to die once, and after this comes judgment,
— Hebrews 9:27 Every one who believes into Him would not perish, but would have eternal life... he who does not believe has been condemned already,
— John 3:16-18 But God commends His own love to us in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
— Romans 5:8 Who was delivered for our offenses and was raised for our justification.
— Romans 4:25 He who has the Son has the life.
— 1 John 5:12 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit.
— 1 Corinthians 6:17 In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.
— John 14:20 The Lord God will shine upon them; and they will reign forever and ever. He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be God to him, and he will be a son to Me.
— Revelation 22:5, 7 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father.
— John 8:44 You were... apart from Christ, ...having no hope and without God in the world.
— Ephesians 2:12 Go away from Me... into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
— Matthew 25:41 They did not approve of holding God in their full knowledge, God gave them up
— Romans 1:28 You turned... to serve a living and true God and await His Son... who delivers us from the wrath which is coming.
— 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10 The tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
— Genesis 2:9 I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life
— Deuteronomy 30:19 Through the disobedience of one man the many were constituted sinners,
— Romans 5:19 If what I do not will, this I do, it is no longer I that work it out but sin that dwells in me.
— Romans 7:20 For all have sinned
— Romans 3:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
— Romans 6:23 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truthfulness.
— John 4:24 This is the condemnation, that the light has come... and men loved the darkness rather than the light, for their works were evil.
— John 3:19 I have come as a light into the world, that every one who believes into Me would not remain in darkness.
— John 12:46 And you, though dead in your offenses and sins... we also all conducted ourselves once in the lusts of our flesh... and were by nature children of wrath... but God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in offenses, made us alive together with Christ
— Ephesians 2:1-5 For Christ also has suffered once for sins, the Righteous on behalf of the unrighteous, that He might bring you to God
— 1 Peter 3:18 As it was through one offense unto condemnation to all men, so also it was through one righteous act unto justification of life to all men.
— Romans 5:18 The last Adam became a life-giving Spirit.
— 1 Corinthians 15:45 This He said concerning the Spirit, whom those who believed into Him were about to receive
— John 7:39 He who has the Son has the life
— 1 John 5:12 As newborn babes, long for the guileless milk of the word in order that by it you may grow...
— 1 Peter 2:2 But holding to truth in love, we may grow up into Him in all things
— Ephesians 4:15 We know that we have passed out of death into life because we love the brothers.
— 1 John 3:14 No one is good except One God.
— Mark 10:18 There is none righteous, not even one
— Romans 3:10 I am able to do all things in Him who empowers me.
— Philippians 4:13 You therefore shall be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.
— Matthew 5:48 Whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
— Romans 10:13 Repent and... baptized upon the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
— Acts 2:38
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