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Old 02-01-2019, 02:31 PM
 
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I need to quibble with one aspect of this post

Cavan, monaghan and donegal were not wanted by unionists



Yes, that could be said because Carson and Craig did not want to wage a bloody terrorist war in those three counties. Unionists were in a majority in those three counties but it was a slim majority and they knew it wouldn't last for long so opted for six counties. There were those who thought they should have used terror tactics but they refused to do so.
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Old 02-01-2019, 04:37 PM
 
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Yes, that could be said because Carson and Craig did not want to wage a bloody terrorist war in those three counties. Unionists were in a majority in those three counties but it was a slim majority and they knew it wouldn't last for long so opted for six counties. There were those who thought they should have used terror tactics but they refused to do so.
"unionists were in a majority in those three counties"

That is something I did not know?
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Old 02-01-2019, 06:18 PM
 
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I was to be honest a wee bit unsure of the Protestant former population numbers in those Counties mentioned Ulsterman though they were a bit more than now and I did note this passing site - https://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users...1861_1991.html.
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Old 02-02-2019, 11:40 AM
 
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"unionists were in a majority in those three counties"

That is something I did not know?

' In the nine counties of historic Ulster Protestants outnumbered Catholics 56:44, but without Cavan, Donegal and Monaghan altered in favour of Protestants 65.5:34.5 '
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Old 02-02-2019, 11:47 AM
 
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I was to be honest a wee bit unsure of the Protestant former population numbers in those Counties mentioned Ulsterman though they were a bit more than now and I did note this passing site - https://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users...1861_1991.html.

Protestants have always been a small minority on the island most times numbered in thousands while Catholics were in the millions. Its a miracle they have still survived. Their life has always been between a rock and a hard place and it hasn't changed. Still under siege.
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Old 02-02-2019, 12:00 PM
 
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Protestants have always been a small minority on the island most times numbered in thousands while Catholics were in the millions. Its a miracle they have still survived. Their life has always been between a rock and a hard place and it hasn't changed. Still under siege.
Can you clarify your earlier post details.

Did cavan, monaghan and donegal have protestant majorities prior to 1922 or thereabouts?
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Old 02-02-2019, 02:39 PM
 
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Can you clarify your earlier post details.

Did cavan, monaghan and donegal have protestant majorities prior to 1922 or thereabouts?



There was an election in Ireland in 1918



The nine counties of historic Ulster


Party... Sinn Fein.. 10 seats won (26% ). Seats won unopposed 2 ( 23% )
Irish Parliamentry Party.. 5 seats won
All Irish Nationalists seats won.. total 15 ( 39.2% )

Unionists...20 seats won ( 52.6% ) Labour Unionists... 3 seats won ( 7.9% )
All Unionist seats won...23 ...( 65% )
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Old 02-02-2019, 04:09 PM
 
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There was an election in Ireland in 1918



The nine counties of historic Ulster


Party... Sinn Fein.. 10 seats won (26% ). Seats won unopposed 2 ( 23% )
Irish Parliamentry Party.. 5 seats won
All Irish Nationalists seats won.. total 15 ( 39.2% )

Unionists...20 seats won ( 52.6% ) Labour Unionists... 3 seats won ( 7.9% )
All Unionist seats won...23 ...( 65% )

Is that meant for someone else because it doesn't address my question at all

I'm pretty sure your earlier statement is incorrect, cavan, monaghan and donegal never had a Unionist majority so they if anything would have been a problem for the first government of Northern Ireland
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Old 02-02-2019, 11:32 PM
 
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Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan were majority Catholic at the time of partition and that is why they were left out of the 6 counties that stayed with the UK.



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Partition in Ireland occurred after the Irish War Independence from 1919-1921. As negotiations for the Anglo-Irish treaty, of which Michael Collins was probably the best known, were on going Unionists in the north of Ireland feared that Ireland, as a whole, would break away from the United Kingdom and as a result of that fear they essentially threatened war against the British government if Ireland broke away. In response to this threat of violence Britain offered the Unionist population the province of Ulster. The only problem for Unionists was that Ulster, as with the rest of Ireland, was predominantly Catholic. So three of Ulster’s nine counties, Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan, were taken out of the equation, which then left a Protestant majority, a false majority, within the remaining six counties of Ulster. The high number of Protestants living in Ulster of course goes back to the Plantation of Ulster in the early 1600’s. “A Protestant government for a Protestant people.”
https://www.derryguidedtours.com/der...on-of-ireland/

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Old 02-03-2019, 11:22 AM
 
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Is that meant for someone else because it doesn't address my question at all

I'm pretty sure your earlier statement is incorrect, cavan, monaghan and donegal never had a Unionist majority so they if anything would have been a problem for the first government of Northern Ireland

Yes, you are right I got it wrong.
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