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OK? I'd like to know if that is what he was saying. Remember though--the fruit is not what saves us. Our faith in Christ is what saves us. The fruit merely tells us what the faith is.
I said faith in Christ, faith in Christ is living by the reality of Christ in you.
You're speaking in a really vague way. Let me try to pin this down. If you have faith in Christ, then you have Christ "in you" and you go to heaven because you love with Christ's love?
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Saves us from what?, please define it.
The wrath of God. He's going to cast sinners into hell.
You're speaking in a really vague way. Let me try to pin this down. If you have faith in Christ, then you have Christ "in you" and you go to heaven because you love with Christ's love?
The wrath of God. He's going to cast sinners into hell.
I am speaking clearly, you just don't understand what I am saying.
Can you provide 1 scripture where it says "we are saved from hell"?.
Christ is already in you. Man is the dwelling place of God, but he doesn't know this because of the way he's been brought up, either in unbelief or by the teachings and traditions of men.
In Christ is where mankind is and where man is resurrected in newness of Life
Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.
for even as in Adam all die, so also in the Christ all shall be made alive.
I am speaking clearly, you just don't understand what I am saying.
Can you provide 1 scripture where it says "we are saved from hell"?.
I said we are saved from the wrath of God.
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Christ is already in you. Man is the dwelling place of God, but he doesn't know this because of the way he's been brought up, either in unbelief or by the teachings and traditions of men.
Scripture, please. Jesus said that the default state is to be a child of the devil.
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In Christ is where mankind is and where man is resurrected in newness of Life
No..not really.
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Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.
for even as in Adam all die, so also in the Christ all shall be made alive.
Thost that trust in Christ shall be made alive, yes. The rest are children of the devil.
If you believe this refers to "going to heaven", that's fine with me. I have no problem with you believing that. But I don't necessarily believe that "going to heaven" or, as this passages actually says, "so shall we ever be with the Lord", means the same thing you do. But again, I don't need to hash that out with you because to reiterate: The main point I was addressing is that I do not see "rejecting Christ" in the same way that you do. I believe Christ who is LOVE is in us and is always working to manifest through us. When love is not being manifested through us, those are the times that we are rejecting Christ.
and i will be completely baffled at your thinking.
People who openly reject any form of Godliness can still love. They have children, care for them and so forth. You can pretend that isn't true and that's fine. We are all created in Gods image.
You keep referring to Christ being in "us"... who is that? everyone? or just Christians?
Your thinking is so very vague and clearly not biblical.
Can you provide 1 scripture where it says "we are saved from hell"?.
20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death – the lake of fire. 15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, that person was thrown into the lake of fire.
20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death – the lake of fire. 15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, that person was thrown into the lake of fire.
Close enough?
No where close enough. You just think hell is the lake of fire.
So if I reject Christ and Love Allah will I go to heaven?
Eventually we will all be one.
Funny, the other day it finally hit me what the saying means, "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin" -- I always kind of glossed over that and never gave it much thought. But I was thinking the other day about the law of polarity and how there could not be "this" if there was not "that" to contrast it -- i.e. no left would mean no right. No up - would mean down does not exist. Then I thought about how can we all be at the same place - spiritually - and I thought - we are not (yet), but the Word says we will all be ONE in Christ. So then how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? And what is heaven? Heaven is harmony and peace with no violence or opposition and no suffering. That is where we are headed. If we are not headed to that one place in Christ where all the opposes has been put under his feet, then life would have to be pointless, IMO.
Thanks for the conversation. Most posters here ignore my comments, so it's nice to have someone speak to me for a change.
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