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The Greek word for temporal is πρόσκαιρος - proskairos and refers to things that are temporary, transitory, lasting only for a time. This is in contrast with things which are permanent, eternal. Irenaeus stated that the belief of the church (his words don't imply a minority of believers) during his time (before the time of Augustine), is that the punishment is not temporal, but is eternal.
The OP made a false statement which I addressed. He said, ''Until the time of Augustine most Christians believed in the salvation of everyone.'' Irenaeus refutes that statement and says that the belief of the church 'of his time' was handed down by the apostles. You may not have any regard for the teaching of the apostles, but I do. And now I will leave this thread for you people to argue Universalism versus eternal punishment.
Mike, are you implying that the 12 apostles taught eternal torment? How do we even know what all the 12 Apostles taught since most of them have barely a mention in the New Testament.
Mike, are you implying that the 12 apostles taught eternal torment? How do we even know what all the 12 Apostles taught since most of them have barely a mention in the New Testament.
The writers of the New Testament taught it. Paul taught it. John taught it. Matthew taught it. Matthew quotes Jesus as having taught it. Since the apostles were taught by Jesus it makes sense that they all believed in eternal punishment.
The writers of the New Testament taught it. Paul taught it. John taught it. Matthew taught it. Matthew quotes Jesus as having taught it. Since the apostles were taught by Jesus it makes sense that they all believed in eternal punishment.
No, they didn't. And neither did Jesus, contrary to Christianisms desire to say otherwise.
It would, yes. I've seen similar billboards. Some people REALLY DIG the ET doctrine. I mean by that, that is it a very key part of their faith. That is why they ask questions like: "If there's no hell, why not just do whatever you want to?" That question tells me so much about a person.
I just now noticed that the shirt is sold by WRY TOAST DESIGNS on ETSY. Hahaha!
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