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Old 10-23-2009, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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the diciples found a guy preaching about Jesus that was not connected to their numbers, and they tried to stop him.

When they told Jesus this, it is clear from his reaction that Jesus was upset that they tried to stop the unconnected preachers...

This clearly shows us that there is no one "church" organization that alone speaks for God.,

That would be a cult.
Anyone that tells you that their denomination alone is the only true church?....is a cult
PROV 11:2 When pride comes, then comes dishonor,
But with the humble is wisdom.
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Old 10-23-2009, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Redding, Ca
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Obedience is something that you do, not something that is given. What God gives us is mercy and grace, which gives us opportunity to obey him, another chance to make things right with him. Living for Christ the best way you can includes being obedient to him. Eternal life has a condition. Forgiveness of sins is conditional. You can only receive it if you repent (Lk. 13:3,5). Do you have to repent to be saved?
Repentance is a change of mind.
Meaning, that if one wants to follow God, we must change our minds in the way we think about a materialistic, selfish and lustful desires to that of Christs, willing to giving up all for the glory of God.

Obedience then is the degree to which one gives to that effort, but in itself, does nothing for the eternal end of it because that part is the free gift.

There is no standard for obedience. Obedience is governed by what is in the heart of the individual.

If obedience were a standard requirement, then that could be legislated as into a law, thus requiring everybody to adhere to or else!

Blessings, AJ
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Old 10-23-2009, 11:25 AM
 
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Show me in the bible where Jesus is coming back to get the Pentecostal church.
Likewise the question can be asked, "Show me in the bible where Jesus is coming back to get the Church of Christ"?

Let's be clear here, the names given to groups of believers who belong to a particular denomination are just that, groups with a name.

But the body, meaning a body of believers in Christ Jesus, is the church, a living body spiritual, with no earthly affiliations other than the heart, regardless of what name one aspires to hold.

If the kingdom of God is not of this world, then it must be a spiritual kingdom in us while in the world.
Joh 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

The whole point of our existence is in that verse!

This is the place of our trial.

Blessings, AJ


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Old 10-23-2009, 11:49 AM
 
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Likewise the question can be asked, "Show me in the bible where Jesus is coming back to get the Church of Christ"?

Let's be clear here, the names given to groups of believers who belong to a particular denomination are just that, groups with a name.

But the body, meaning a body of believers in Christ Jesus, is the church, a living body spiritual, with no earthly affiliations other than the heart, regardless of what name one aspires to hold.

If the kingdom of God is not of this world, then it must be a spiritual kingdom in us while in the world.
Joh 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

The whole point of our existence is in that verse!

This is the place of our trial.

Blessings, AJ


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The church of Christ is in the bible and authorized to be named so (Rom 16:16). It is the one church (Eph 4:4) that belongs to Jesus and He adds us to it upon salvation (Acts 2:47). Can you show me where denominations are ok? And we can be part of any church and go to heaven? There is only one true church and that is the one that Jesus established in Acts 2. Either you are part of his body or not. When we say "church of Christ" we mean the church that belongs to Jesus. Jesus did not establish divisions and names, He established His one church.
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Old 10-23-2009, 01:00 PM
 
Location: MI
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I don't care what anybody says. Church of Christ is a denomination. The real church of Jesus Christ is spiritual...not a group of people that think they're special because their non profit name is church of Christ. Seriously.
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Old 10-23-2009, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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The church of Christ is in the bible and authorized to be named so (Rom 16:16). It is the one church (Eph 4:4) that belongs to Jesus and He adds us to it upon salvation (Acts 2:47). Can you show me where denominations are ok? And we can be part of any church and go to heaven? There is only one true church and that is the one that Jesus established in Acts 2. Either you are part of his body or not. When we say "church of Christ" we mean the church that belongs to Jesus. Jesus did not establish divisions and names, He established His one church.
EXACTLY.....so anyone who believes in Jesus for their salvation is a member of the church that belongs to Jesus....they are a part of that one church...the body of Christ.
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Old 10-23-2009, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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I don't care what anybody says. Church of Christ is a denomination. The real church of Jesus Christ is spiritual...not a group of people that think they're special because their non profit name is church of Christ. Seriously.
I agree 100%....Just because "men" call the place where they worship the Church of Christ....they now think they have some monopoly on salvation due to their affiliation with it....such pride is shameful.
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Old 10-23-2009, 02:21 PM
 
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EXACTLY.....so anyone who believes in Jesus for their salvation is a member of the church that belongs to Jesus....they are a part of that one church...the body of Christ.
Right, if someone is saved (and believing is not all we have to do) then Jesus adds them to the church. The name on the sign or building means nothing, of course it is spiritual.
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Old 10-23-2009, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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Right, if someone is saved (and believing is not all we have to do) then Jesus adds them to the church. The name on the sign or building means nothing, of course it is spiritual.
What other requirements do you believe there are for salvation?
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Old 10-23-2009, 02:33 PM
 
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What other requirements do you believe there are for salvation?
I believe we must believe (John 3:16, John 8:24)
I believe we must repent (Luke 13:3, Acts 17:30)
I believe we must confess Him with our mouth (Romans 10:9-10, Matt 10:32)
I believe we must be baptized for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16, 1 Peter 3:21, Rom 6:3-6, Gal 3:27, etc)
I believe we must remain faithful until death (Rev. 2:10)

(of course if we sin, and we will, we must confess our sin and he will cleanse us continually 1 John 1:7-9)
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