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George is certifiable. Any normal person, who dodged the legal bullet he did in the TM shooting, would have thanked their lucky stars and never would have gotten in trouble again, but he is constantly getting into one scrape or another.
I was one of the people who thought he was innocent in the TM deal, but now I am not so sure.
Don
I never thought he was "innocent" in the TM situation, just enough doubt to keep from having a guilty verdict.
He'd have lost the civil suit but no point for TM's family to sue because:
1) Zim has no money.
2) They got a mil or so from the HOA.
3) A lot more info about TM comes out in the private trials and it would drag up a lot of dirty laundry.
Ah Hah, we're back to GZ shot him from a few feet away and those injuries to GZ were self-inflicted or from running into a tree. I go with his pals in the SPD helped with the injuries back at the station.
Even better than discovery ... a trial.
Oh definitely, a trial is a wonderful thing, too, even better when the prosecutor shows up! I suspect prosecutors at his next murder trial will be slightly more invested than Bernie and Angela. The jury, as well, what with the whole country outside of Stormfront and a few others of that ilk realizing Officer George did not "learn his lesson."
Why on earth would law enforcement have inflicted those noggin boo boos? Seriously, Jazzy, it would take a delicate touch with a careful human hand to create so little.
I never thought he was "innocent" in the TM situation, just enough doubt to keep from having a guilty verdict.
He'd have lost the civil suit but no point for TM's family to sue because:
1) Zim has no money.
2) They got a mil or so from the HOA.
3) A lot more info about TM comes out in the private trials and it would drag up a lot of dirty laundry.
BBM
Dead men tell no tales and the reason the jurors took GZ's word as gospel, instead of going over the evidence..it was one sided...
HOA put GZ in charge so in a sense they were liable for this loose cannon..
Too bad they don't bring a civil suit against GZ he would have to get a job to pay it off should he be deemed responsible. It appears all he does is mooch. All those donated funds were squandered away with O'Mara and West left on the hook for $2.5M and very surprised West showed up for his arraignment on this latest charge. I also believe whoever donated to him got bamboozled...
Just like OJ who claimed to have no money, he is still liable to the Goldman's for the wrongful death lawsuit they won..
I know that is what many want to believe, which is only based upon what Z claimed and those photos he had a friend take at the scene, that were already cleaned up in secondary photos at the police station.
Well if you are implying the pictures are fake in some fashion why not just come out and say it?
Also how do you account for the eyewitnesses who described the person on top as fitting TM's description, and the 911 tapes where you can hear GZ screaming for help, for close to an entire minute before hearing the single gun shot?
Even if we are to assume GZ embellished his story in certain areas, it would seem as if TM supporters want to believe everything that helps TM is real. What is worse they seem to believe everything supporting GZ, like forensic evidence, witnesses, including the prosecutor, jury, etc., are all tainted. Tons of speculation on behalf of TM is accepted as plausible, but similar speculation in favor of GZ is dismissed. Why?
TM was no angel like the media tried to portray, and when some of his past came out, it looked as if he was on the wrong path. He could have been looking to heist something, or been a peeping Tom. Yet he might very well have just been coming home to watch the NBA that night, as none of us will ever know.
However GZ seems like a disturbed person the more we hear about him post TM, but it does not mean the evidence the jury heard didn't happen. They reached a conclusion based on information presented, and were likely more informed than the majority of CD forum members combined.
I wonder if much of this TM support stems from the way the media framed the story, and people tend to stick with their initial reaction. As I sad, I was more pro-TM in the beginning for a lack of a better way to put it. It was only after I witnessed how all sorts of powers like the media and WH were lining up against him, that I started to look at the totality of the situation, rather than accepting the narrative the media tried to create (i.e. pictures, doctoring of the audio tapes, claims it was TM's voice screaming for help, claiming GZ made a racial epithet, etc.).
If you go back and seriously take the time to read every one of z's statements from the very beginning, you see very clearly that he contradicts himself frequently and that the evidence does not match up to his claims. He claimed he shot Trayvon because Trayvon was bashing his head on the sidewalk. Really? Just how long is z's neck? Trayvon was shot and killed several feet from the sidewalk, it seems like it was 5 or 6'? Supposedly Trayvon was holding z down and bashing his head on the distant sidewalk as z reached behind his back and pulled out his gun from under his fat hip. Then he somehow got the gun straight up between his and Trayvon's chests and Trayvon, supposedly the aggressor, just lets z shoot him. Oh. That's right. Trayvon supposedly tried to grab the gun. Oh wait! He saw the gun and tried to grab it before z had it out of the holster. You know, the holster behind z's back? So I guess Trayvon must have had x-ray vision. After the trial, z stated that he thought he missed Trayvon (an impossibility with z's story) and was worried the bullet might have gone through someone's house and hit someone. Ok. According to z, he was on his back and shot upward toward Trayvon. If the gun is pointed upward, the bullet is going to go skyward and then return to earth in the same general area. His contradictions and improbabilities continue.
As for the jury, Maddie clearly stated that she believed he was guilty but that it was "explained to" them that he had to have planned to go out and kill Trayvon before he even left his house for them to find him guilty of anything. Later she even stated that the lawyer's wife told them negative things about Trayvon that were not brought up in the trial. Color me crazy but that smacks of juror misconduct in my book. Where did The lawyer's wife get the information she spread amongst the jurors? Was it prior to the trial? She claimed under oath that she hadn't paid attention to the news regarding the shooting. Or did someone tell her about it during the trial, even tho she was told that there was to be no discussion about the case oout of the courtroom. How much of what she reported about Trayvon was actually true? Much of what was stated about Trayvon was questionable, at best. How about the Purple Lean drink he was supposedly going to make with the watermelon drink and Skittles? First off, the candy used is Jolly Rancher, not Skittles. Skittles don't dissolve like Jolly Ranchers. Try it some time. Drop some Skittles in a drink of some sort and leave it over night. Secondly, you have to have access to something with codeine in it, generally cough syrup with codeine (I would imagine that Tylenol with codeine would taste mighty nasty no matter what you mixed it with). Over the counter cough syrup does not have codeine in it. None. The entire trial was a farce and a major embarrassment to Floridians who actually care about truth and justice. The state never brought up crucial points, questions that would have shown z's statements to be ambiguous at best were completely shied away from. Inaccuracies about Trayvon were left smoldering and unaddressed. They lynched a dead black teen.
Having worked in the ER, I can tell you that z did not get much of a beating, if any, by anyone that night. He had three tiny scratches on the back of his head, one of which was actually more on the top of his head. He claimed Trayvon was slamming his head on the pavement yet there were no marks to his face or ears showing where the force had been applied to push his head down and pull it back up. Noses bleed easily. It doesn't take a major bump to get one going. Broken noses bleed a lot. Somehow z's supposedly broken nose had already stopped bleed before he even arrived at SPD, what, a whole 30 minutes later? There wasn't much blood on his clothes and he hadn't needed a towel to catch the blood flow. Didn't even need an ice pack to slow the swelling. A lot of people should be ashamed of themselves for what they allowed to transpire in this case. Personally, I hope they have trouble sleeping at night but I fear their political ambitions are stronger than their consciences.
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Reason: Typing on my phone and can't see as I type. My apologies for lingering typos
Now I can understand why you are a supporter of GZ. You act like self appointed police as well, don't you? Do you also drive in left lane at 65MPH so that speeders can't break the law? Or engage with tailgaters in road rage so that they don't go away? After all these are dangerous as well.
I have reported your accusation to mods so we'll see if they are real or not. This is what you are supposed to do when you see suspect something foul on threads.
Interesting how you practically reversed our roles here. For starters, I am not a GZ supporter, and since he seems to take advantage of women, he would be on my list deserving an a$$ whooping. That still does not blind me to the facts and reasoned speculation of the TM situation.
Second, if you have read some of my posts regarding the left lane slugs and people who pace the car beside them to slow everyone down, you would see I feel just the opposite. If anything I might tailgate people in the left lane that should move over to let faster traffic pass.
As to you reporting my suspicions to the mods, it is you, not I trying to play forum cop, as I didn't bother to report my suspicions to them. Instead I will just try to not engage that person/s any longer.
I do not have any trouble engaging several people in reasoned discussions, but I don't wish to waste my time with one person attempting to seem like others. I've seen it on the car forum I admin, and it is a pathetic endeavor. Yet I don't get involved unless things get out of hand. So your actions in reality, not mine, are an indicator who the real the self appointed policeman is.
Furthermore, one wonders if you were inclined to get involved other than observing, because you take an opposite view of the TM/GZ situation than I do. Otherwise why would you care?
Well if you are implying the pictures are fake in some fashion why not just come out and say it?
Also how do you account for the eyewitnesses who described the person on top as fitting TM's description, and the 911 tapes where you can hear GZ screaming for help, for close to an entire minute before hearing the single gun shot?
Even if we are to assume GZ embellished his story in certain areas, it would seem as if TM supporters want to believe everything that helps TM is real. What is worse they seem to believe everything supporting GZ, like forensic evidence, witnesses, including the prosecutor, jury, etc., are all tainted. Tons of speculation on behalf of TM is accepted as plausible, but similar speculation in favor of GZ is dismissed. Why?
TM was no angel like the media tried to portray, and when some of his past came out, it looked as if he was on the wrong path. He could have been looking to heist something, or been a peeping Tom. Yet he might very well have just been coming home to watch the NBA that night, as none of us will ever know.
However GZ seems like a disturbed person the more we hear about him post TM, but it does not mean the evidence the jury heard didn't happen. They reached a conclusion based on information presented, and were likely more informed than the majority of CD forum members combined.
I wonder if much of this TM support stems from the way the media framed the story, and people tend to stick with their initial reaction. As I sad, I was more pro-TM in the beginning for a lack of a better way to put it. It was only after I witnessed how all sorts of powers like the media and WH were lining up against him, that I started to look at the totality of the situation, rather than accepting the narrative the media tried to create (i.e. pictures, doctoring of the audio tapes, claims it was TM's voice screaming for help, claiming GZ made a racial epithet, etc.).
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Other witnesses stated they saw z on top. As for it being z screaming for help, that is unproven and doubtful. Why would he be screaming for help when he had a loaded gun in his hand cocked and pointed at Trayvon's chest? There is no logic in that belief.
Other witnesses stated they saw z on top. As for it being z screaming for help, that is unproven and doubtful. Why would he be screaming for help when he had a loaded gun in his hand cocked and pointed at Trayvon's chest? There is no logic in that belief.
Of course that wasn't GZ's wail, when he was asked to repeat it, he sounded like a dog yelping. That could only be TM as he stared death in the eyes...
TM has no violence anywhere. Can't say the same for his offender. I also believe TM was raised better than good ol' boy, GZ. GZ's family still enable him and will continue to. I do feel GZ has antisocial behavior, is narcissistic for he only cares about himself, he might even be a psychopath..he appears to throw tantrums when things don't go his way. When he lost the NBC lawsuit, what did he do to Samantha?
TM was probably going through a rebellious stage which is why his mother sent him to his father, to straighten him out. Shameful that the next day he would have gone back to Miami, except he crossed paths with GZ who shot him dead..
The only way to stop GZ is to follow through on the most recent charges and I do hope his victim this time will...
Other witnesses stated they saw z on top. As for it being z screaming for help, that is unproven and doubtful. Why would he be screaming for help when he had a loaded gun in his hand cocked and pointed at Trayvon's chest? There is no logic in that belief.
He was probably screaming for help while he was getting his a** handed to him, just before he pulled his gun.
Other witnesses stated they saw z on top. As for it being z screaming for help, that is unproven and doubtful. Why would he be screaming for help when he had a loaded gun in his hand cocked and pointed at Trayvon's chest? There is no logic in that belief.
The other scenario makes no sense unless you envision GZ as a ruthless cold blooded killer. For example, if TM was screaming for his life with GZ having the upper hand and mounting him, why would GZ pull out his gun and shoot TM. It makes no sense. Plus the ballistics and forensic evidence would not match in that scenario either. My understanding is that the ballistics indicated the bullet came from below, not above based on the entry wound.
You would have to believe somehow TM was standing over GZ begging for his life, and GZ fired for no other reason than to kill him.
Additionally, who is going to know TM's voice better than his Father? His own Father made a statement that it was not his sons voice screaming for help.
So how do you fit that square peg in the round hole?
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I suspect prosecutors at his next murder trial will be slightly more invested than Bernie and Angela. The jury, as well, what with the whole country outside of Stormfront and a few others of that ilk realizing Officer George did not "learn his lesson."