[chopchop0]

Originally Posted by beach43ofus

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I think you are watching too much CNN.

More fact filled than faux news or Breitbart

[Mouldy Old Schmo]

Will there be gridlock in the Florida Legislature the next few years?

[bale002]

Originally Posted by Mouldy Old Schmo

Will there be gridlock in the Florida Legislature the next few years?

On the face of it, no.

So-called republicans maintain a majority in State House and State Senate, governor and majority of cabinet (not to mention two US senators for the first time since the 1800s).

Not that they do much anyway, and they indulge in infighting on top of that.

If it were flipped and so-called democrats had these majorities, it would be the other way around, of course: not do much anyway and infighting on top of that.

Sounds human to me.

In any case, for sure nothing will change in Florida politics over the next two years.

After that, who knows?

Possibly the most durable outcome of this election is approval of a Constitutional amendment that requires a super-majority (2/3 I believe) to raise State-level taxes and fees.

[kmarc]

Originally Posted by bale002

On the face of it, no.

So-called republicans maintain a majority in State House and State Senate, governor and majority of cabinet (not to mention two US senators for the first time since the 1800s).

Not that they do much anyway, and they indulge in infighting on top of that.

If it were flipped and so-called democrats had these majorities, it would be the other way around, of course: not do much anyway and infighting on top of that.

Sounds human to me.

In any case, for sure nothing will change in Florida politics over the next two years.

After that, who knows?

Possibly the most durable outcome of this election is approval of a Constitutional amendment that requires a super-majority (2/3 I believe) to raise State-level taxes and fees.

Sounds like some folks were farsighted enough to see the need to commie-proof the state financially.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by kmarc

Sounds like some folks were farsighted enough to see the need to commie-proof the state financially.

More likely, the Constitutional amendment will plunge the state into a service-deprived hellhole, especially unless some means can be found to finance a clean-up of nutrient pollution, including the septic tank problem. I wonder if the state legislature even has the ability to put tax initiatives to a public vote without a two-thirds majority.

As the Constitutional amendment applies to fees as well as taxes, unless super-majorities can be found, inaction seems to be locked into Florida's future. Heaven forbid if the Florida/national economy falters, as the stock market seems to be foreshadowing, at least now, and the state needs temporary revenues to offset reductions in tax revenues as a result of a weakening economy.

When the bills for inundation begin to mount ($500 million already just in Miami Beach), the state may fall into a liquidation mode, in which stake-holders head for the exits, and any increases in taxes may just hasten a vicious cycle.

Will Floridians continue to rebuild after hurricane destruction, as knowledge of the impact of the sea level rise rate doubling every 7-8 years becomes well known?

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...elizabeth-rush

[bmw335xi]

Environmentalists need to stop exaggerating. Honestly, it does more harm than good. The problem with making big scares like Miami will be underwater by 2050 is that when 2050 comes and Miami isn't underwater, then it discredits the argument of man-made climate change. Wasn't there scientists in the 1980s or 1990s saying that climate change will lead to 7 degree warmer temperature by 2025 and sea levels would rise several feet? Last time I checked temperatures have increased maybe half of one percent and sea levels have rose a few inches.



Pushing green technology/energy, recycling etc are all good things, but using scare tactics does more damage than good in my opinion. Miami will still be here in 30 years. That doesn't mean we shouldn't take care of the environment more.

[ABQConvict]

Originally Posted by sithlord72

Also with the passage of Amendment 4, more former criminals will be voting. You know how they will vote

Depends on what they were in for and which prison gang they "align" with.

Of all the prison gangs, at the very least the Republicans will get the Aryan Brotherhood and Marielitos vote.

[chopchop0]

Originally Posted by bmw335xi

Environmentalists need to stop exaggerating. Honestly, it does more harm than good. The problem with making big scares like Miami will be underwater by 2050 is that when 2050 comes and Miami isn't underwater, then it discredits the argument of man-made climate change. Wasn't there scientists in the 1980s or 1990s saying that climate change will lead to 7 degree warmer temperature by 2025 and sea levels would rise several feet? Last time I checked temperatures have increased maybe half of one percent and sea levels have rose a few inches.



Pushing green technology/energy, recycling etc are all good things, but using scare tactics does more damage than good in my opinion. Miami will still be here in 30 years. That doesn't mean we shouldn't take care of the environment more.

South Beach floods during king tides

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by bmw335xi

Environmentalists need to stop exaggerating. Honestly, it does more harm than good. The problem with making big scares like Miami will be underwater by 2050 is that when 2050 comes and Miami isn't underwater, then it discredits the argument of man-made climate change. Wasn't there scientists in the 1980s or 1990s saying that climate change will lead to 7 degree warmer temperature by 2025 and sea levels would rise several feet? Last time I checked temperatures have increased maybe half of one percent and sea levels have rose a few inches.



Pushing green technology/energy, recycling etc are all good things, but using scare tactics does more damage than good in my opinion. Miami will still be here in 30 years. That doesn't mean we shouldn't take care of the environment more.

Your argument is with scientists, who rely on empirical evidence to make their projections.

E.g., Harold Wanless is an expert on sea level rise and chairman of the geological sciences department at the Univ. of Miami. He emphasizes that the RATE of sea level rise is doubling every 7-8 years, with dire consequences for Florida.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...elizabeth-rush

What is your expertise? Do you dispute that the rate of sea level rise is doubling every 7-8 years, and the rate of sea level rise will be even greater in southern Florida, as Wanless claims?

While sea level rise is 1/8 inch per year currently, if the doubling rate continues (it could accelerate with more intense global warming), the annual rate of acceleration will reach 1 1/2 inches per year within 25 years. See post 11 in this thread.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/saras...-region-2.html

Wanless says south Floridians should prepare for a minimum of 2.7 to 3.4 feet of sea level rise by 2046.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion...620-story.html

Is Miami Beach imagining the impacts of nascent inundation?

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...217984100.html

Is saltwater intrusion an imaginary problem in south Florida?

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...190900529.html

https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/...212844644.html

Man-made climate change science deniers need to listen to persons who study empirical data and know much more than deniers. It also would help if deniers would just open their eyes and acknowledge the reality of sea level rise in low-lying communities such as Miami Beach.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Your argument is with scientists, who rely on empirical evidence to make their projections.

E.g., Harold Wanless is an expert on sea level rise and chairman of the geological sciences department at the Univ. of Miami. He emphasizes that the RATE of sea level rise is doubling every 7-8 years, with dire consequences for Florida.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...elizabeth-rush

What is your expertise? Do you dispute that the rate of sea level rise is doubling every 7-8 years, and the rate of sea level rise will be even greater in southern Florida, as Wanless claims?

While sea level rise is 1/8 inch per year currently, if the doubling rate continues (it could accelerate with more intense global warming), the annual rate of acceleration will reach 1 1/2 inches per year within 25 years. See post 11 in this thread.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/saras...-region-2.html

Wanless says south Floridians should prepare for a minimum of 2.7 to 3.4 feet of sea level rise by 2046.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion...620-story.html

Is Miami Beach imagining the impacts of nascent inundation?

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...217984100.html

Is saltwater intrusion an imaginary problem in south Florida?

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...190900529.html

https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/...212844644.html

Man-made climate change science deniers need to listen to persons who study empirical data and know much more than deniers. It also would help if deniers would just open their eyes and acknowledge the reality of sea level rise in low-lying communities such as Miami Beach.

Yep Miami could be like Venice Italy which has faced rising waters for a long time and is... still there.