Missouri...Southern or Midwestern? (St. Louis, St. Joseph: Hispanic, accent, weather)

[OA 5599]

Originally Posted by ajf131

I presume you mean east of Poplar Bluff, yes? In any case, I think you are right on the money.

Yeah I meant east not west...its amazing how much it changes in landscape and culture within a few miles...forests and cattle to cotton fields!

[joe91]

Indiana is 99% northern
Ohio is 99% northern
Illinois is 96% northern
Missouri is 75% northern
Indianopolis a southern city?!?, Excuse me---------------- thats like saying N. Korea has the same culture as the U.S.
ajf131, Go to SE ohio and then go to the rural deep south and tell me if they have same culture.

[northbayeric]

Joe, thank you for adding your thoughts to this ongoing discussion! May I ask you to specify how you arrived at those percentages when you get a chance? Thanks!

[stepka]

I just had a thought. Mo can't be a southern state, because you can't get true grits here, just those instant and quick cooking travesties.

[ajf131]

Originally Posted by joe91

Indiana is 99% northern
Ohio is 99% northern
Illinois is 96% northern
Missouri is 75% northern
Indianopolis a southern city?!?, Excuse me---------------- thats like saying N. Korea has the same culture as the U.S.
ajf131, Go to SE ohio and then go to the rural deep south and tell me if they have same culture.

I never said that the rural deep South and Southeastern Ohio had the same culture. However, Southeastern Ohio has undeniable Appalachian culture that is present in both West Virginia and Eastern Kentucky. I never said Indianapolis was a Southern city...where are you getting that from. If I typed that, it was by sheer accident.

[joe91]

Originally Posted by northbayeric

Joe, thank you for adding your thoughts to this ongoing discussion! May I ask you to specify how you arrived at those percentages when you get a chance? Thanks!

Its just a estimate, but its around those numbers.

Yeah I agree SE ohio has some appalachin culture, but nowhere near southern culture in which you stated.

[kshe95girl]

Originally Posted by stepka

I just had a thought. Mo can't be a southern state, because you can't get true grits here, just those instant and quick cooking travesties.

Yes you can! Theres a diner in PB that serves true stone ground grits, and they will put cheese in if you want it!
My mamas family is from there, and its just as southern in foods, speech patterns, and attitudes as here in Fl, perhaps more so. DH is sooooo amazed that I cook southern, speak with a STL accent, and have a very German attitude towards life, and all due to being raised in Mo. South of the Missouri River, that is.....
BTW, I am a hybrid, daddy was from STL, mama from Poplar Bluff, via Sainte Genevieve, both having roots in the state from the 1600's fromm mamas side, 1840's for daddys. Suppose I a am pretty good representation of how the state blends its cultures......

[kshe95girl]

Originally Posted by OA 5599

Yeah I meant east not west...its amazing how much it changes in landscape and culture within a few miles...forests and cattle to cotton fields!

Not much cotton anymore, mostly rice. my family still lives in the area, and those that have farms east of PB grow mostly rice now..... y'all know thats where the Misssippi delta starts, right? to the east of Black River in Poplar Bluff, and south of Cape, north of Sikeston, right on I-55. Its very clear, the land just falls away into flats.

[ajf131]

You may be able to get true grits in Poplar bluff, but Poplar Bluff is extremely close to Northern Arkansas and located in a part of the state that is surrounded by Kentucky, Arkansas, and Tennessee. For all intents and purposes, I normally wouldn't count PB for that reason. But I guess since it's within the Missouri stateline (barely) it counts.

[ShadowCaver]

Originally Posted by ajf131

You may be able to get true grits in Poplar bluff, but Poplar Bluff is extremely close to Northern Arkansas and located in a part of the state that is surrounded by Kentucky, Arkansas, and Tennessee. For all intents and purposes, I normally wouldn't count PB for that reason. But I guess since it's within the Missouri stateline (barely) it counts.

So, St Louis is then just about part of Illinois?