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Originally Posted by jacqueg
Doesn't matter to me whether they are entire flights or legs of flights.
They simply don't show that Clinton flew on Epstein's jet to Epstein's island or any other Epstein property.
Giuffre has said that she saw Clinton on the island, but neither she nor any other of the victims has said that they had sexual contact with Clinton.
I find it fascinating that the evidence at this point regarding both Clinton and Trump is roughly equivalent - they definitely both were seen more than once enjoying Epstein's company/hospitality and both had more than casual contact with him. None of the victims has claimed to have had sex with either one. Yet some people think that this generally similar evidence damns one and exonerates the other.
Me? I don't think nearly enough shoes have yet dropped. Not willing yet to let either of them off the hook, along with the dozens of other A-listers who partied around with, and worked on projects with, Jeffrey Epstein. I'm sure that many of those folks never had sex with Epstein's underage teenagers. I wanna know WHO DID.
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Giuffre was a sex worker. She was free to come and go and she did. She describes herself as most favored because she did not turn anyone down. This implies the teens were free to decline and some did. Not clear what was going on in the homes of some of these girls. No one notices their daughter / sister gets picked up by a private car? No one notices a multi week disappearance and a returnshome flush and tan?
She previously filed suit in Florida and accepted a cash payment settlement for her silence.
What 16 year old knew who Dershowitz was in the late 90’s- early 00’s? That he was Epstein’s attorney during the litigation is significant.
That she recently recalls a few more names is curious.
The step parents of the first Jane Doe, age 14, claimed she ran out of Epstein’s Palm Beach mansion in her underwear. Jennifer Araoz has a similar story that happened in NY when she was 14. She claims to have been recruited at 14. Over time she agreed to strip and says she did so because Epstein told her he could help her acting career. She claims she was brutally raped and never returned. She felt shame and never reported it.
These stories strike me as more credible than 16-17 year old girls who understood the score and returned again and again and took payment for doing so.
Obviously more will be revealed.
It is also curious how so many believe everything despite these girls trend more vague than the testimony by Kavenaugh’s accuser.
I am hoping there are tapes that can be certified as unaltered, no matter who the featured players are.
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