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Old 08-15-2019, 08:13 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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But the US has 200+ times the amount of death by guns than other 1st world countries so it doesn't work does it!? Its TWO HUNDRED+ times the amount, its not even close, its not even close to being close!
Eliminate the US's horrendous black on black crime and suicide statistics and then compare.

Just in Philly... Black career felon with illegally owned/possessed guns shooting at black police officers. He wasn't supposed to have guns. Gun control laws supposedly prevent it. Why didn't he obey the law?
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Old 08-15-2019, 08:13 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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You guys are running around confiscating butter knives. You are sheep. Like I've said before, our gun rights are non-negotiable. If that burns you up, so be it.
That's simply not true, besides did you know that the rate of death by knives between the US and the UK is surprisingly similar? Now you tell me why that is? Pretty obvious wouldn't you say!?
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Old 08-15-2019, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Eliminate the US's horrendous black on black crime and suicide statistics and then compare.

Just in Philly... Black career felon with illegally owned/possessed guns shooting at black police officers. He wasn't supposed to have guns. Gun control laws supposedly prevent it. Why didn't he obey the law?
They just don't get it. You can't use logic and reason with the irrational.
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Old 08-15-2019, 08:15 AM
 
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MOST of them are Suicides, the rest are gang bangers in ghettos in cities all over the country. The average person is not affected.
Spot on.
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Old 08-15-2019, 08:15 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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Eliminate the US's horrendous black on black crime and suicide statistics and then compare.

Just in Philly... Black career felon with illegally owned/possessed guns shooting at black police officers. He wasn't supposed to have guns. Gun control laws supposedly prevent it. Why didn't he obey the law?
It still wouldn't be remotely close lol, around 70 people get shot to death in the UK every year and that INCLUDES gang violence, how many people get shot to death every year in the US even when you don't include the gang violence? Thousands!
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Old 08-15-2019, 08:17 AM
 
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Because having tighter controls when it comes to owning guns reduces the amount of people losing their lives MASSIVELY, this is why the worlds 1st world countries all have a MASSIVELY, HUGELY less amount of people getting shot to death every year! Not slightly less not even a lot less but a MASSIVE amount of difference. This is an un-arguable statistic, the fact that its worked in Australia further proves what is so 'bleedin' obvious' all the more.
That's not true in the US. I'll repeat the info so you can learn:

According to Department of Justice’s Bureau of Statistics, as gun ownership has increased, gun-related homicides have dropped. U.S. gun-related homicides dropped 39 percent over the course of 18 years, from 18,253 during 1993, to 11,101 in 2011. During the same period, non-fatal firearm crimes decreased 69 percent.

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Private Gun Ownership vs. Gun Homicide Rate, Over Time
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Old 08-15-2019, 08:17 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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MOST of them are Suicides, the rest are gang bangers in ghettos in cities all over the country. The average person is not affected.
Oh that's OK then, as long as "its not me", silly me, I didn't realise all those people losing their lives in all those 'mass shootings' you are having don't matter!
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Old 08-15-2019, 08:19 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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That's not true in the US. I'll repeat the info so you can learn:

According to Department of Justice’s Bureau of Statistics, as gun ownership has increased, gun-related homicides have dropped. U.S. gun-related homicides dropped 39 percent over the course of 18 years, from 18,253 during 1993, to 11,101 in 2011. During the same period, non-fatal firearm crimes decreased 69 percent.

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Private Gun Ownership vs. Gun Homicide Rate, Over Time
It IS true! lol 30,000+ compared to 70 hell lets say 100 - a VERY VERY big difference no?
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Old 08-15-2019, 08:21 AM
 
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That's simply not true, besides did you know that the rate of death by knives between the US and the UK is surprisingly similar? Now you tell me why that is? Pretty obvious wouldn't you say!?
Speaking of laughing in somebody's face ....

https://thefederalist.com/2018/04/13...y-gun-control/

How's that acid control coming?

There are quite a few things obvious to me that go right over your head. Now again, are you including suicides in your gun death numbers? My guess is that you won't answer because we already know the answer, now don't we.
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Old 08-15-2019, 08:23 AM
 
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THIRTY THOUSAND deaths says otherwise! What do you have to justify your argument?

Actually the number is around 15k, a number that is high, too high but what is the percentage of that out of 300 million people ?


Suicides should not be counted in that list , period. Someone wanting to take their own life is a thing that they should be able to do. It doesn't make it right , but it is their right.
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