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Old 06-05-2013, 10:29 AM
 
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Darwin was a white supremacist eugenicist who wanted to exterminate the black race, but you take him more seriously than a Christian politician.
False equivalence.
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Old 06-05-2013, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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I think all beliefs should be respected and that people shouldn't have to hide their faith...All religions have a place in society.
Why? If so, does that mean bigotry, discrimination, and racism have a place, too? Those are also belief systems that rely on personal subjectivity rather than facts. Not all beliefs are reasonable or tolerated in society, especially those that rely on a superstitious or mythological basis.

As others have mentioned, if I went around proclaiming that a giant bunny rabbit named Floppy was the one true God, no one would be expected to tolerate or accept that. It is ridiculous. Even the most religiously tolerant would mock such a belief. And if you look at it long enough, you can see why it is only a matter of simple logic to take the next step and see why all other God-based religions are equally as suspect.

Like any other claim, religion should be subject to intense critical analysis. If it doesn't stand up, we should be free to mock it as we do anything deemed to be silly or contemptuous. It's been tolerated and given a free pass for long enough. As a species capable of reason and critical thought, we need to move on now. There's a reason they call the most religious age in human history the Dark Ages.

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Darwin was a white supremacist eugenicist who wanted to exterminate the black race, but you take him more seriously than a Christian politician.
Darwin's (alleged) personal beliefs or opinions do not diminish the science he developed. For a more in-depth look at the "racism" of his works, read this article:

Racism, Eugenics, and Darwin | The Sensuous Curmudgeon

Using your logic, if Newton was a racist, his tested and verified contributions to physics and advanced mathematics would be rendered null and void? Whatever their personal failings might be, their substantial contributions to scientific advancement are NOT in question. At all.
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Old 06-05-2013, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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In Ontario about 10 years ago there was a group that was pushing for Sharia Law now Dalton did the right thing and said no but it will just bee a matter of time before it comes up again bottom line is all groups should be treated the same that means non MUslims should be able to wear there religious items as well.
That's what we're trying to do...treating all religions the same. That means NO expressions of religion in the public sphere. Problem?
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:04 AM
 
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That's what we're trying to do...treating all religions the same. That means NO expressions of religion in the public sphere. Problem?
In Ontario people will say on one hand Christians etc should not be able to pray in school yet on the other hand many schools have pray rooms for Muslims i have nothing against any group but all should face the same rule and be treated equal we should not have special rules for certain groups.
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Canada
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In Ontario people will say on one hand Christians etc should not be able to pray in school yet on the other hand many schools have pray rooms for Muslims.

Are there really schools that don't allow prayer yet provide a pray room for muslims? wow, both should not be allowed in schools. Hypocrisy and double standards are alive and well in Canada.
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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In Ontario people will say on one hand Christians etc should not be able to pray in school yet on the other hand many schools have pray rooms for Muslims i have nothing against any group but all should face the same rule and be treated equal we should not have special rules for certain groups.
I think the key difference is that prayer for Muslims is a mandatory part of their daily practice and is highly ritualized. Prayer for Christians is something that can be done privately, anytime, anywhere.
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:25 AM
 
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Are there really schools that don't allow prayer yet provide a pray room for muslims? wow, both should not be allowed in schools. Hypocrisy and double standards are alive and well in Canada.
Yes many schools have rooms for Muslims to pray but for things like the Lords pray for exzample its not allowed in most schools as some feel it would be unfair to other groups.
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Canada
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I think the key difference is that prayer for Muslims is a mandatory part of their daily practice and is highly ritualized. Prayer for Christians is something that can be done privately, anytime, anywhere.
And that makes it ok to ban the lords prayer in the morning but allow muslims in Canadian schools to have prayer rooms? Give me a break. Since islam is a "highly ritualized" religion and there are many things that the quran dictates as mandatory, should we allow them to have sharia law too? Where do we draw the line?
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:29 AM
 
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I think the key difference is that prayer for Muslims is a mandatory part of their daily practice and is highly ritualized. Prayer for Christians is something that can be done privately, anytime, anywhere.
Ya but thats going down a very slippery slope you can't really say there should be no religion in public places but then say for certain groups it should be that would create a all types of issues.
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Good lord. The neo-atheists have showed up. This is reminding me of everything Canadians profess to hate about the US - fanaticism and intolerance.

The God wars
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