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Old 11-06-2011, 11:21 AM
 
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I really don't see what is "half-true" about the Good News. You either believe it's true, or you do not. That truth proclaimed by God, is:

2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

This proclamation unequivocally states that the worlds sins are not being imputed to them, by God.
The same truth of the Gospel is proclaimed here:

1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

How are these proclamations, "half-truths"?

The truth is the truth (objectively so) regardless of who believes it or who does not. The Gospel is truth because God proclaims it so. Truth does not find it's source in man, but rather God (Jesus) who is The Truth. In order to "know" the truth subjectively, this truth that God has proclaimed must be received through faith, but that is quite different than saying the Gospel (Good News) is only a "half-truth".

If you believe the Gospel is a "half-truth", then you have never believed the Gospel, nor have you ever been born of the Spirit. As Paul tells us, here:

1Th 1:5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

There is no power, no Spirit, and no assurance for those who believe in "half-truths".
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:21 AM
 
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You along with the rest of the fundamentalists are in unforgiveness towards the world and holding it accountable until it does something. And do not even insult the world and attempt to justify yourself by saying you are not in unforgiveness towards it, if you believe God is not forgiving the world, neither are you.
You keep saying "the world". Salvation and forgiveness is INDIVIDUAL, not CORPORATE. Each human is forgiven & saved through a PERSONAL relationship with Christ.

I am as "pro-Gospel" as one can be. I want every human being to hear the gospel and choose life through Jesus. I want each person to be saved and forgiven.

God isn't forgiving the world. He's made forgiveness possible though personal relationships with Jesus. There's a big difference.
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:23 AM
 
Location: New England
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Where did I say "believe in Christianity"? I did not. Where did I say "believe in the Bible"? I did not. I did say trust the Bible. You hate fundamentalists don't you? You cannot accept the truth so you lie about them. Hate and lies, works of the flesh.



Of course He isn't holding my sins against me, I am a believer, but I do need to repent for the sins I commit so I can grow in my faith.
Where did I say you did ?.


Finn Jarber do you understand how pathetic you are making yourself out to be,by believing the message of reconciliation is for those who are already reconciled (the believer is the reconciled ),this is how stiff necked you actually are that you cannot understand or refuse to understand this.
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Florida
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You are not paying attention and constantly come back to something you obviously don't understand, Lord forgive me I mean not disrespect.
That's the problem. The verses which he left out (which prove his error), have been shown to him, and he still pretends they do not exist.
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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How can you forgive everyone of their sin and deal with it and God cannot?

Will you ever see that God is far more able and willing in the forgiveness department than you and the god you believe in could ever know ?
I can forgive them for their sins against me and others so I am not tempted to sin. I never said God could not.

Your second sentence was just a cheap shot and irrelevant.

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I think he undrstood it when the rest of the verses were brought in, but pride keeps him from admitting his error. Now he is just arguing to save face.
Yes pride, strife, and sedition, other works of the flesh. As I said before we all need to check ourselves.
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Finn Jarber do you understand how pathetic you are
Calling others pathetic shows the hatred in your heart.
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:28 AM
 
Location: New England
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You keep saying "the world". Salvation and forgiveness is INDIVIDUAL, not CORPORATE. Each human is forgiven & saved through a PERSONAL relationship with Christ.

I am as "pro-Gospel" as one can be. I want every human being to hear the gospel and choose life through Jesus. I want each person to be saved and forgiven.

God isn't forgiving the world. He's made forgiveness possible though personal relationships with Jesus. There's a big difference.
Of cause it is individual .

Now where in your bible does it say we are forgiven and saved through a personal relationship with Christ ?

Here is what the scripture actually says.

To give his people the knowledge of salvation
***through the forgiveness of their sins,
because of the tender mercy of our God,
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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Absolutely wonderful thread!

It's fairly simple to understand that one cannot receive the riches of the good news while blinded by the guilt of their own sin. The bible, as Pcamps so eloquently reminds us, says that god is not holding your sin against you. Therefore you are free to be reconciled. It is useless to seek reconciliation if you are wallowing in guilt from past or even future sin.

Think of it this way... You are 500 lbs and your doctor says you cannot exercise until you get down to 400 lbs but you really want to become healthy and lose weight. What a conundrum.

Those in opposition to the OP would have you believe you must lose 100 lbs of sin first before God will forgive you and you can be reconciled. Yet the bible says "come as you are" and "your sins are not counted against you". God sees you as sinless so that you can be reconciled and achieve sinlessness.

God is the great physician. He wants reconciliation, not effort. Forgiveness, not sacrifice.

For while we were yet sinners....(unbelievers) Christ died for us.

The bible is clear that sin will not stop god from reconciling the world. He simply doesn't count that against you. So come as you are and be healed.
Come on guys... It's so easy even a non-Christian can understand it!
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Yes pride, strife, and sedition, other works of the flesh. As I said before we all need to check ourselves.
Right. Again, who is He reconciling to Himself? US. The People. Who are US, the people? Anyone who is in Christ and has been made new aka the believers.


17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come:[a] The old has gone, the new is here! 18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:32 AM
 
Location: New England
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That's the problem. The verses which he left out (which prove his error), have been shown to him, and he still pretends they do not exist.
You are an enemy of the good news, you are as stiff necked as they come, and your flat out denial that the message of reconciliation is for those who are not reconciled proves it.
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