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BUT . . . There is nothing more wrathful or vengeful or UNJUST than eternal punishment for a finite crime, Jimmie, NOTHING!!!! So which God do you love, the one who loves us or the one who is wrathful and vengeful and unjust?
BUT . . . There is nothing more wrathful or vengeful or UNJUST than eternal punishment for a finite crime, Jimmie, NOTHING!!!! So which God do you love, the one who loves us or the one who is wrathful and vengeful and unjust?
There are people in this world that want nothing to do with God.
We see in revelation when God is sending judgement on earth, the people curse Him and want to die.
The scripture says, "and they did not repent of their sins."
These people are cast into the lake of fire at the final judgement, Mystic.
A generation in hell is not going change that hatred toward God!
You're correct, in that Colossians 2 says they're forgiven at the cross. And what is forgiven us, God won't condemn us for.
Ephesians 1 states that God predestines us to be forgiven. John 1 says we are born again not of our own will, but of God. John 6 says we are given to Jesus by the Father. John 17 is also clear in that it's God doing the work of salvation, as is Ephesians 2:8-9.
Now..as for the mechanics of it? We can debate that. But it's clear that God forgives us before we decide to follow him. He knows who his are.
Just that we were forgiven at the cross. Not when we accept Jesus.
Except that we are forgiven when we receive Christ as Savior but in a different way than at the cross. You simply can't ignore Acts 10:43 and Acts 26:18 both of which state that forgiveness of sins occurs when you receive Jesus as Savior.
Acts 10:43 To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
Acts 26:18 to open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.’
As I said, judicial judgment and forgiveness of sins occurred at the cross, BUT, forgiveness of sins in a relational sense occurs when a person receives Jesus as Savior just a relational forgiveness of the believer's sins after salvation occurs when he confesses his sins as per 1 John 1:9.
Except that we are forgiven when we receive Christ as Savior but in a different way than at the cross. You simply can't ignore Acts 10:43 and Acts 26:18 both of which state that forgiveness of sins occurs when you receive Jesus as Savior.
Acts 10:43 To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
Acts 26:18 to open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.’
As I said, judicial judgment and forgiveness of sins occurred at the cross, BUT, forgiveness of sins in a relational sense occurs when a person receives Jesus as Savior just a relational forgiveness of the believer's sins after salvation occurs when he confesses his sins as per 1 John 1:9.
Yes. Those that believe in Jesus are forgiven. And God accomplishes our salvation at the cross. He predestines us to election. Salvation is of the Lord. Not decisions.
At this point though, we're close enough, we don't need to argue over these details. You disagree? Ok.
There are people in this world that want nothing to do with God.
Okay, but there are two-year-olds who want nothing to do with their parents who frustrate their demands in their temper tantrums too. Having some people at the level of spiritual two-year-olds does not mean they'll stay that way, Charlie.
Yoy guys can blame atheists all you want however readibg this thread and most other threads it is Christsins attacking Christains. There is no demostration of love towards non believers, believers of other religions or towards fellow Christains who have differing views .
Sorry but all the caims that Christainity is about love and you are all full of agape love comes accross as only hot air and holliw claims.
Im a non believer so you can slam and ibsult me all tou want, but that will not change how many of not most of the posters come accross.
Yoy guys can blame atheists all you want however readibg this thread and most other threads it is Christsins attacking Christains. There is no demostration of love towards non believers, believers of other religions or towards fellow Christains who have differing views .
Sorry but all the caims that Christainity is about love and you are all full of agape love comes accross as only hot air and holliw claims.
Im a non believer so you can slam and ibsult me all tou want, but that will not change how many of not most of the posters come accross.
Who is blaming atheists?
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