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Old 11-03-2008, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Then again, I forgot that you believe that it is outdated. Maybe in the new country you want it would read:


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Congress shall make laws disrespecting any religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances if it is of a view point not held by the Government.
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A well regulated government Militia, being necessary to secure a State from objection, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall be infringed. :
Nope.

I believe that every gun owner should be, in time of need or crisis, automatically on military call. So you better hide them before I become king!!!

I believe that the church should keep out of government and the government should stay out of the church. If the church wants to get a opinion on government, they can pay taxes like the rest of us.
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Old 11-03-2008, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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This generation is too young to remember Carter or the old Soviet Union, and they haven't been taught the history properly. This is a generation that for the most part has seen nothing but good times. They went to schools being taught self esteem and "everyone's a winner" from K-12. They have been taught socialistic values through our public school systems. In addition, most of today's college students grew up in homes that were very well-off compared to their parents. They have never had to work for anything in life. Of course this isn't all of Gen-Yers, but these are the things that for the most part define this generation. Therefore these kids have little understanding of reality. It will eventually hit them and we might see a conservative resurgence in the future.
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Old 11-03-2008, 11:34 AM
 
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Well...I never said I was a McCain supporter...I only said I don't like Obama. I am Liberatarian, and am voting to reflect that. I have no respect for people who vote democrat/republican just because they don't like the other party. The democrat and republican parties in America are both broken, and we will continue to have problems until we stop voting for the lesser evil and consider other candidates.
Agreed.
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Old 11-03-2008, 11:35 AM
 
Location: um....guess
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This generation is too young to remember Carter or the old Soviet Union, and they haven't been taught the history properly. This is a generation that for the most part has seen nothing but good times. They went to schools being taught self esteem and "everyone's a winner" from K-12. They have been taught socialistic values through our public school systems. In addition, most of today's college students grew up in homes that were very well-off compared to their parents. They have never had to work for anything in life. Of course this isn't all of Gen-Yers, but these are the things that for the most part define this generation. Therefore these kids have little understanding of reality. It will eventually hit them and we might see a conservative resurgence in the future.
Someone sounds like a grumpy old man, must be naptime for you. Lighten up & let people think for themselves.
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Old 11-03-2008, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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I am young and I am at this point an Obama supporter, but oddly I agree with you. These people talking about capitalism in such an ugly light while pulling out their Camels and drinking their Starbucks and convincing people to vote for Obama because it's (paradoxically) independent and cool do irritate me so much. I sort of liken it to the Pink Hat fans at Sox games.

The interesting thing about both is we need them, so annoyed though I may be, I am glad I'm on their side.

Actually, no. I'm glad they're on my side. Yeah, that feels a lot more comfortable.
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Old 11-03-2008, 11:45 AM
 
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Perhaps I can help out here. The OP is clearly upset at the prospect of an Obama presidency and is likely in a here-we-go-again state of mind. The problem the OP and I have with an Obama presidency is that the policies he is selling as "change" is something new to young people but not to us. We've seem this all before. I'm 46 and I voted for the first time in the 1980 election after four years of Stagflation, or Carternomics. Our present misery index is about half what it was at the end of the Carter administration (20.5%). I really don't want to go back to an economy like that or the weak failed foreign policy that led us into the present situation.

The problem that we have is one of perspective. The Bush policy of preemption has been too effective, and we have forgotten that people want to kill us and our children. If we had had an additional attack on Americans post 9/11, we would not be considering this person for president. Now we are to sit down and have a conversation with these radical Islamic nutjobs. Obama has a huge ego that has assured him that he can just work things out with anyone. Carter was naive too. Anyone who lived through those years remembers them as dark days. RCP has past electoral maps. Check out the ones for the 1980 and 1984 elections.
It's very telling.
Part of our national security hinges a great deal on strong UN/NATO alliances. Our esteem in the eyes of the world has been greatly diminished to the point where our necessary global coalitions are exceptionally weak. This has been perpetuated by an isolationist mindset and the infamous and damaging quote "You are either with us, or with the terrorists." When Reagan took over we had not eroded that base, we were not in this type of economy, as we now no longer manufacture anything; we simply make money off of money, and have mortgaged ourselves to hostile countries. Comparing the incoming President's challenge to Carter's presidency, no matter who takes over, is apples to oranges. If Reagan were running today with his Earned Income Tax Credit program he would also be incorrectly villified as a socialist. It is laughable. A free market economy can not sustain itself as an upside down pyramid of distributed wealth, especially when 90% of the income is being held by 1% of the population. It simply falls over...so people can concern themselves with higher taxes, but in the end the long-term ability to earn at levels that would put you into a higher "taxed" bracket is what is now threatened.
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Old 11-03-2008, 11:48 AM
 
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This generation is too young to remember Carter or the old Soviet Union, and they haven't been taught the history properly. This is a generation that for the most part has seen nothing but good times. They went to schools being taught self esteem and "everyone's a winner" from K-12. They have been taught socialistic values through our public school systems. In addition, most of today's college students grew up in homes that were very well-off compared to their parents. They have never had to work for anything in life. Of course this isn't all of Gen-Yers, but these are the things that for the most part define this generation. Therefore these kids have little understanding of reality. It will eventually hit them and we might see a conservative resurgence in the future.
This generation----your generation!!!!!

I'm not an advocate for your generation, but I think that just because other people your age don't share your conservative opinions, that it is unfair to start attacking them as know-nothings or as spoiled brats. Your reality is seen through the lens of your upbringing and socialization. Your environment was very conservative compared to that of most Gen-Yers. They probably will become more conservative as they get older. That's a trend that's been true for countless generations. It's not a case of "understanding reality". It's a case of people becoming less adaptable as they get older and they acquire more assets. It's a case of assets being channeled into less liquid investments as you get older.

We will see conservatives make a resurgence, probably within the next two election cycles. Because they ARE cycles. We never achieve perfect balance, so sometimes liberals have the surge in power, sometimes conservatives do. Political cycling. Should be part of the history you learned in school.
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:04 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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I find it sad that in this day and age people still feel the need to pick a group of people and lay the blame of discontent at their feet.


Stereotyping does nothing but garner more hatred, more fear, more division amongst Americans. Isd that what you want? The continuation of division, fear, loss of respect for your fellow neighbor? And all because you may not agree with the candidate they vote for? And you honestly believe that the majority of people in one category are voting based on simple ignorance? I think you do yourself and us a disservice. More so for yourself.


I am 28. I have no idea if that fits in the category of "young voter" or not. I have many friends both younger and older than me. I have family members just entering the voting age. And I have yet to talk with one and see they are voting for their chosen candidate without doing full research on the policy issues. Some choose Obama, some choose McCain. But none are voting blindly, most especially the younger voters. If anything, what I have personally found, is the younger voters are far more likely to research more than the older counterparts. You have a new generation of young adults who are tech savvy, have the information of the world at their fingertips and use it to gather the information they require far faster than the generations previous to the internet. They are passionate, curious, and take their right to vote seriously for the most part.


Do not be ignorant yourself, and categorize one aspect of our society as idiots because they may not vote the same, or feel the same, or look at our country the same as you do. You have one vote. Make it count. But dont point fingers and damn people you dont know. Im sure you wouldnt want to have that done to you by some other category of people, would you?
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:42 PM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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I am so sick of all these young people following Obama like blind sheep. Many of them don't even know what he stands for, but are out for Obama because its the "thing to do". They need to look beyond the gay issue and their anger at the religious right, and think about issues like taxes, jobs, energy, and national security that will affect them. Obama's plan will raise taxes on people making as low as $42,000/yr, kill jobs as small businesses will go under, he is against clean coal and nuclear, increase the already monstrous national budget, and is weak on national security almost to the point he could be considered a terrorist sympathizer. Yet nearly 8 out of 10 young people are lining up like sheep to vote for him. This isn't elementary school where everyone is a winner or little league soccer where everybody gets the same trophy so nobody's "feelings are hurt". This is the real world, and this generation needs to step into it.

I'm so sick of all these mindless NASCAR boys blindly supporting McCain because they think the election is about guns, gays and God. They don't follow the issues and they aren't informed about the candidates' positions. They just want to vote GOP because "Bubba said he's gonna, and that's good 'nuff fer me!"

They think they get a tax break because they hear Bush talk about it. But they haven't even paid attention to their local and state tax bills climbing because Bush has relied on unfunded mandates to allow the tax breaks for his billionaire pals.

This is the real world, not the bleachers at the local racetrack. They need to wake up and be part of it.
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:48 PM
 
Location: CA
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In my entire life, I have rarely come across a person under the age of 25 who could have an intelligent, informed conversation regarding business operations, economics, world news, or politics in general. If young people support Obama, it does not surprise me at all. There is a reason why they are considered inexperienced, idealistic, and naive - it's a deserved stereotype.
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