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Old 04-14-2014, 02:18 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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Yeah, I do not understand the position of the government in Kiev. Instead of concessions, they are trying to solve the problem by force.
Well, they already offered more autonomy. As a reaction they proclaimed the People's Republic of Absurdistan, demanded a Crimea style referendum and stormed police stations.

Besides that, with whom should they negotiate? There doesn't seem to be a separatist leadership. Those who occupy the governmental buildings in Donetsk seem to be drunk all the time and are incapable of making decisions and the guys storming the police stations don't seem to be that into negotiations.
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Old 04-14-2014, 02:21 AM
 
Location: Russia
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I think the same way. But Russia South and east of Ukraine is not needed. It's a big burden on the economy.
The Russian people will not allow Putin to leave people without assistance. We're trapped.
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Old 04-14-2014, 02:27 AM
 
Location: State Fire and Ice
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I think the U.S. goal to destabilize the situation, to put pressure on Russia. Russia will not be able estates aside, Russia is trapped. The USA doesn't care about Ukraine, the target is Russia.
U.S. economy need to obtain compensation for investment spent that went to destabilization. We must understand that it is preparing two decades. With this agreement, as well a former NSA agent. No wonder the whole history of the Ukraine and Ukrainian falsified figures received the award for the false story. Prize fund financed from Sorоsa. Sorоs with the support of the U.S. for many years falsifies history in many countries. In the 90's he do that in Russia as well if you remember, and then he was kicked out of Russia.
not knowing the history of it is very bad for people. But even worse when people grow up with a false story. Misleading story is false ideals . Poor education allows you to manage people.Here is an example of the U.S. falsified the history of Russia among his people very much. On the basis of alternative U.S. history - the Soviet regime was the same as the Nazi regime in Germany. Stalin is Hitler. But it's not like they do not think . That only World War II ended . United States was about to bomb the Soviet nuclear bombs . In this case there was not only plan , but also the work was carried out in full swing. 30 percent of the USSR was the aggressor in the 20th century . But the U.S. was the aggressor in 75 percent of all wars in the world

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Old 04-14-2014, 02:33 AM
 
Location: State Fire and Ice
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Well, they already offered more autonomy. As a reaction they proclaimed the People's Republic of Absurdistan, demanded a Crimea style referendum and stormed police stations.

Besides that, with whom should they negotiate? There doesn't seem to be a separatist leadership. Those who occupy the governmental buildings in Donetsk seem to be drunk all the time and are incapable of making decisions and the guys storming the police stations don't seem to be that into negotiations.
No formal autonomy not and rule of law in Ukraine either. so need to hold a referendum in each region. Later select the legitimate government through elections. In the east, not drunk, it's the people who fed their country, but they rob and want .
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Old 04-14-2014, 02:35 AM
 
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The Russian people will not allow Putin to leave people without assistance. We're trapped.
This is true
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Old 04-14-2014, 02:42 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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Russian TV Propagandists Caught Red-Handed: Same Guy, Three Different People (Spy, Bystander, Heroic Surgeon) - Forbes

lol
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Old 04-14-2014, 03:11 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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Turtschinow just announced that there may be referendums in the future.
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Old 04-14-2014, 03:48 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Been found a sniper with Maidan!


:-D
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Old 04-14-2014, 03:57 AM
 
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Beyond the question of who is right or wrong, (the West or Russia), or who lies the most (Western or Russian medias) I 'm terribly preoccupied by the events in Ukraine. I'm thinking about it all the time, because for us in Europe it's much closer than Syria, Irak or Afghanistan. I sincerely hope reason will prevail, and everybody will finally come to reason.
But I can't help having a bad feeling....
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Old 04-14-2014, 04:36 AM
 
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because for us in Europe it's much closer than Syria, Irak or Afghanistan.
Our westernmost province is further away from Vienna than Ukraine's western border
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