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Old 02-03-2015, 07:58 PM
 
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It is said roughly 20000 conscription eligible Ukrainians have crossed the Russian border by various means in the last 3 weeks. People are very pissed off at the Kiev junta.

Uglegorsk is flattened. People evacuated today say there is hardly a building standing. Probably an exaggeration but the town certainly took a beating.

It's also said that Hungary, Romania, Poland, Chech Rep, Slovakia and Bulgaria were being "encouraged" by NATO officials to support Ukraine by selling their old stocks of USSR vintage munitions to the Ukrainian army. Hmmmm. I wonder what that old junk sitting around those warehouses is going to be replaced with.

Follow the money.
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Old 02-03-2015, 08:04 PM
 
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You link Jozef Pilsudski with Hitler and Napoleon? A Polish hero who was trying to save his nation from the Soviets?
Pilsudski was an opportunist, who was trying to expand Polish territories at Ukraine's expense, and therefore at Russia's expense, since Ukraine was part of Russia at that point in time. History only repeats itself; every time Russia is weakened, the first country that's trying to take advantage of it is Poland. It has to be noted of course, that it's not like Russia is not looking down at Poland, and it's not like Russia uses it as it's pleased. There is a good reason for it though; Poland doesn't have much to offer historically speaking, comparably to Russia. No outstanding achievements in tech and science, no strength of character, no dodging persistence of Russian kind, and therefore it's a country that's basically worthless to counter-weight the West. That's why it's becoming basically a pawn on a big chessboard, a figure that's used against Russia by other players, and yet a figure that's easily dropped and abandoned when it's deemed as not worthy by powers on which it relies. Which all is really quite ironic, since both Russians and Poles originally are talking roots from the same tribe.
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Old 02-03-2015, 08:20 PM
 
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Maybe some people on here think the Ukrainians ought to thank the Russians for giving them the Holodomor.
Ukraine was part of Russia. And Ukraine happened to be a breadbasket of Russia.
Since the collectivization ( and confiscation of grain and agricultural products) hit the agricultural regions and peasant population the hardest, obviously Ukraine has been hit the hardest. But that doesn't mean that Russian peasants/whole regions didn't go through "holodomor" themselves just few years earlier.
Don't listen to all current attempts of Ukrainians to rewrite their own history.
All this implied lately "genocide" directed at "proud Ukrainians" is pure nonsense.

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"In the absence of absolute documentary proof of intent, some scholars have also made the argument that the Holodomor was ultimately a consequence of the economic problems associated with radical economic changes implemented during the period of liquidation of private property and Soviet industrialization."
Holodomor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And these scholars are right.
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Old 02-03-2015, 08:22 PM
 
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Did your mother have any kids that lived? If Russia doesn't stand up to the west history WILL be repeated. The goal of the west in nothing less than the dissolution of the Russian Federation, and war from the Baltic to the Pacific. It's all about the profits not the peace.
Being so pro-Western most of my life, I had to see it to believe it.
Unfortunately, it's true.
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Old 02-03-2015, 10:55 PM
 
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"we are on the verge of war with Russia."
Russians long harness, but quickly go.
There will come a time when the Russians stop just observe. They will demand to stop it. And then they may want revenge. And it will be very sad.
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Old 02-03-2015, 11:28 PM
 
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It is said roughly 20000 conscription eligible Ukrainians have crossed the Russian border by various means in the last 3 weeks. People are very pissed off at the Kiev junta.

Uglegorsk is flattened. People evacuated today say there is hardly a building standing. Probably an exaggeration but the town certainly took a beating.

It's also said that Hungary, Romania, Poland, Chech Rep, Slovakia and Bulgaria were being "encouraged" by NATO officials to support Ukraine by selling their old stocks of USSR vintage munitions to the Ukrainian army. Hmmmm. I wonder what that old junk sitting around those warehouses is going to be replaced with.

Follow the money.
From whom? from Kiev Kiev have no money) An all this junk almost useles. Shells that had lain for over 20 years is very bad shot, gunpowder packed and the force of the explosion is very different from the set. Which leads to wear and strong stem from flying projectiles. Well, as a result of the destruction of civilians. However Ukrainian army shoots at the city, even if she crumples targets for artillery.

LNR now hare aicraft They repeared SU-25 And already destroy Collomn military equipment under Debaltseve. We are waiting for a flight to Kiev) Beheading solve all the problems) Preferably with the same American generals that sit there Anyway they mediocrity.
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Old 02-04-2015, 12:34 AM
 
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You really should try to improve your written English Amok, it's appalling.
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Old 02-04-2015, 02:38 AM
 
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You really should try to improve your written English Amok, it's appalling.
It is. My English is bad, and this is the reason why I'm here. I am learning it. I'll think it is never late to learn it)

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Old 02-04-2015, 06:02 AM
 
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Old 02-04-2015, 06:16 AM
 
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Ukraine Needs Peace, Not Weapons | The American Conservative
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