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Do you want to explain how you're not free? It's hard to understand local politics as outsider but he been president for very long time there. To me he is a dictator being there is small to 0 chances that he will not win. It also appears from my reading that Russia has lots of corruption and freedom of expression' free media been limited over the years. Supposedly Russia has death squad that sent after any political figure that speaks bad about Putin.
That is rich coming from someone living in a a country where for 3 years the deep state has been trying to remove a democratically elected president (as much as I don't like Trump, he was elected) with increasingly silly, bogus pretexts.
Not to mention that you write from SoCal, California is basically a one party state itself.
Do you think you really have a choice in the two party farce that is the US political system?? Do you?? I have a bridge in New York to sell....
Propaganda at its finest.
China should set up a fake two party system like many countries in the west so they could shut down any criticism about "lack of democracy"....never understood why they don't do just that.
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What's this all about? That's a lot of people coming out to support this guy.
This is a very difficult question. On the one hand, it is true that Furgal has a criminal past, and there is no doubt about it. On the other hand, he has done a lot of positive things for his region: reduced budget expenditures, achieved benefits for air travel, worked on the development of felshers ' points in rural areas, organized free meals for schoolchildren and other socially important things. He had a high rating in the region. But as they say, the devil is in the details. First, he was elected as a result of the so-called "protest vote" bypassing his opponent from Edinaya Rossiya, which was supported by Moscow. But people didn't support to him.. Do not be deceived by the fact that Furgal is from the LDPR. This is the same party in power. Why do you think Zhirinovsky has been on the political scene for so long? Until simply because, he has good connections with the party in power.And it behaves as it should. And the fact that he sharply criticizes everyone and everything, so the image of the oppositionist requires it. Second, Furgal wanted to put a pressure on some regional resource companies in tax terms and investments. And probably this very did not like to "big uncles", who had gesheft from this. Based on this, perhaps,that he fell victim to of some political intrigues.
By the way, I most like the version with American intelligence. This is probably a false version, but very interesting and elegant.
Mhm, *avalanche.*
(And "American intelligence"? This is even more fascinating, as far as made-up theories go.)))
Maxim, I saw the files ( full version,) before they were removed from the internet.
I've read the letter of the investigator back in the 90ies to the newspaper ( the second one, who made most of the job and received the command from Moscow to CLOSE AND SEAL OFF THE CASE in the middle of his investigation.)
I went through the witnesses testimonies, one after another.
( In fact, I translated a lot of it in the "Paranormal section" of this forum.)
With other words, I looked into it long-long time ago, when someone alerted me to that story, but it was not a mainstream fad yet, with twisted facts and all kind of hear-say nonsense.
AND ( as I've said,) when the ORIGINAL FILES were still available.
It was not "avalanche" Maxim - I can tell you that much.
And it was not "American intelligence."
That's why that "Dyatlov Pass" story is where it is - in "Paranormal" section.
And it's pretty chilling sh*t as far as I am concerned ( from everything I saw in the files.)
P.S. Another bad feeling I have, is that we'll be forced to revisit that story, but by then we'll have more clues.
Because if it is what I think it is, it was not the end of it, but rather the beginning.
This is a very difficult question. On the one hand, it is true that Furgal has a criminal past, and there is no doubt about it. On the other hand, he has done a lot of positive things for his region: reduced budget expenditures, achieved benefits for air travel, worked on the development of felshers ' points in rural areas, organized free meals for schoolchildren and other socially important things. He had a high rating in the region. But as they say, the devil is in the details. First, he was elected as a result of the so-called "protest vote" bypassing his opponent from Edinaya Rossiya, which was supported by Moscow. But people didn't support to him.. Do not be deceived by the fact that Furgal is from the LDPR. This is the same party in power. Why do you think Zhirinovsky has been on the political scene for so long? Until simply because, he has good connections with the party in power.And it behaves as it should. And the fact that he sharply criticizes everyone and everything, so the image of the oppositionist requires it. Second, Furgal wanted to put a pressure on some regional resource companies in tax terms and investments. And probably this very did not like to "big uncles", who had gesheft from this. Based on this, perhaps,that he fell victim to of some political intrigues.
I agree with all that Zimogor, and my jaw dropped, when I've learned that Furgal was from the LDPR, but to me it's very telling that people in that region were ready to vote for WHOMEVER, just not for the rep. of "Putin's party."
So this is a "first bell" that things are not "as quiet in the kingdom" as some would like to imagine.
At that, I am pretty sure that Furgal is guilty of at least SOME charges (the business he was in is well- known for criminal activities. I mean practically ALL business back in those times involved criminal activities, but the one Furgal was in, particularly so.)
But anyways, the ironic thing is, that by the sound of it, he ( Furgal that is,) never really planned to be a governor for real, being a *spoiler* to the REAL candidate ( or should I say appointee from the United Russia party.)
However, when he has won by the avalanche, he became actually a good governor, conducting socialist policies in the region, and that's what Russians are really yearning for, not all this "corporate" BS coming from Moscow for the last 30 years. ( Think Gref, Nabibulina - all the darlings of the Wall Street. Think closed hospitals, schools, meager pensions, exported capital and so on.)
And I absolutely agree with you that it's the "business interests" of Moscow in the region, that Furgal didn't observe, and that's why he has been pulled out of there and prosecuted by Moscow under the convenient "criminal charges."
With other words - "Kremlin INC" as I've said many times before, was not pleased.
What else can I say, but to add "Moscow, for whom your bells toll, Moscow how much are your golden domes?"
Shnur pretty much nailed it all in his song, with that "beautiful dream" of his, where Moscow was burned to the ground with all its wonderful inhabitants, and the rest of Russians were staying home, waiting for the embers to cool off.
Do you want to explain how you're not free? It's hard to understand local politics as outsider but he been president for very long time there. To me he is a dictator being there is small to 0 chances that he will not win. It also appears from my reading that Russia has lots of corruption and freedom of expression' free media been limited over the years. Supposedly Russia has death squad that sent after any political figure that speaks bad about Putin.
There is a cool documentary called "Citizen K" if you have Amazon Prime. This will at least help you understand the development of Putinism. He didn't invent anything, he corrected Russia's course back to its normal path after a failed attempt at democratization. The whole idea of open competition is so anti Russian and this movie may shed some light on how that plays out in a society like that. Its not just politics but its economics too. They really don't believe in the connection between fair competition and performance. Accountability is instilled in other ways...
Ahaah, that garbage propaganda piece about Khodorkovsky and his merry band of looters?? Naah...much better to watch "The Magnitsky Act – Behind the Scenes"...THAT is a rather interesting documentary...
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I am pretty sure that Furgal is guilty of at least SOME charges (the business he was in is well- known for criminal activities. I mean practically ALL business back in those times involved criminal activities, but the one Furgal was in, particularly so.)
Yes, in those days, the connection between business and crime was very strong. And many businessmen with a dark past came to politics.
Ahaah, that garbage propaganda piece about Khodorkovsky and his merry band of looters?? Naah...much better to watch "The Magnitsky Act – Behind the Scenes"...THAT is a rather interesting documentary...
Ahh yes, Russians convinced that government connected criminals stealing money from the budget is good for them. It seems you guys accept this more than having a locally elected official arrested for not supporting Putin. Is it because you are convinced this is how the rest of the world behaves or?
After learning that LDPR controls the regional parliament of Khabarovsk Krai, it got me thinking if there are any other areas that United Russia party is loosing control. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Region...more%20rows%20
Here are the federal subjects that United Russia has the least amount of control
It will be interesting how this Furgal case will impact local elections and if LDPR will be viewed more as a legitimate oppositionary party? Seems like they are already fairly popular in other far eastern regions. But also watching some local sources it seems like LDPR isn't doing anything serious to fight back, I'm also surprised that these protests haven't spread to other regions (unless they have?)
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