Covid virus in phoenix (Tempe: congested, offering, dealership)

[LBTRS]

Originally Posted by hikernut

We have many friends, neighbors, and co-workers who think this is not a big deal. Some think it's a political conspiracy against Trump. I doubt anything will convince enough people to take it seriously. Even a vaccine may not squash it, as there are so many tinfoil hat folks out there who will not take the vaccine.

I expect we will be dealing with COVID here for quite some time, possibly years.

I'm conservative so you would think I would have exposure to what you're experiencing but I'm not. In my circle it is overwhelmingly young people that just don't care that are practicing poor behavior. Political reasons (on either side) are not the cause of the spread in those that I work and interact with. The other group where we are seeing spread are family groups that have young people living with them.

[Burning Madolf]

Originally Posted by hikernut

We have many friends, neighbors, and co-workers who think this is not a big deal. Some think it's a political conspiracy against Trump. I doubt anything will convince enough people to take it seriously. Even a vaccine may not squash it, as there are so many tinfoil hat folks out there who will not take the vaccine.

I expect we will be dealing with COVID here for quite some time, possibly years.

To me it's all optics these days. Some things are okay, while other things are not. Some people are causing an increase, while others are not. Governments doing too much and not enough.

There seems to be no balance, just pendulum swings back and forth. So there's always going to be a 'forget this' crowd that will prevent common sense consensus.

I'm going to start blaming the Earth's changing magnetic field. Love to see that prescription for repairing that in a 30 second news reading or political ad.

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by LBTRS

This isn't too far off unfortunately.

I have some friends who own nursing homes and home healthcare businesses. The places that make the most are located in outstate because they have lower wages. They would make near-zero profit if they lived in a metro area. The economy of scale is about the only way to make it in spots like PHX metro. So I feel your pain. You really don't have a choice to pay people what they are worth. Therefore, you have to deal with young or foreign employees.

[Sno0909]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

I don’t think I ever called them super-spreaders. There’s a pretty significant difference between those mostly higher-risk protesting about their constitutional right to a haircut in the middle of a global pandemic and young people wearing masks protesting after the police murdered an innocent man.

You just advocated for the shutdown of salons again. You know good and well that getting a haircut is a 1-on-1 encounter. Not high-risk in the least.

Yet, you continue to say that the BLM protests were not high-risk. Please explain to me how this is not problematic? I don't care how many masks you see in this crowd, this is not safe.



How do you refute this? A picture is worth a thousand words.

Not to mention that the majority of protesters also happen to fall into the age group of people who are also out frequenting the bars at night. This is just common sense, but your ideologies are clouding your judgement.

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by hikernut

We have many friends, neighbors, and co-workers who think this is not a big deal. Some think it's a political conspiracy against Trump. I doubt anything will convince enough people to take it seriously. Even a vaccine may not squash it, as there are so many tinfoil hat folks out there who will not take the vaccine.

I expect we will be dealing with COVID here for quite some time, possibly years.

Someone told me yesterday, with a completely straight face, that if Biden is elected, COVID will vanish. It's mind-boggling how many people with some variation of this mindset are out there.

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by Sno0909

You just advocated for the shutdown of salons again. You know good and well that getting a haircut is a 1-on-1 encounter. Not high-risk in the least.

Yet, you continue to say that the BLM protests were not high-risk. Please explain to me how this is not problematic? I don't care how many masks you see in this crowd, this is not safe.



How do you refute this? A picture is worth a thousand words.

Not to mention that the majority of protesters also happen to fall into the age group of people who are also out frequenting the bars at night. This is just common sense, but your ideologies are clouding your judgement.

Thanks for the visual. I count one person without a mask and they are clearly outside. Given those two mitigating factors, I don't think that would be considered very high risk. Certainly nowhere near the risk level of those in a similar age group sitting shoulder-to-shoulder indoors for hours without a mask in sight. Can we at least agree on that?

[LBTRS]

Someone that argues getting a haircut needs to be restricted but advocates for protests (of any kind) during a pandemic loses all credibility so we should just move one. It is silly to continue the argument but I keep being drug into it.

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by LBTRS

Someone that argues getting a haircut needs to be restricted but advocates for protests (of any kind) during a pandemic loses all credibility so we should just move one. It is silly to continue the argument but I keep being drug into it.

I'm not advocating for protests. I'm saying consider mitigating factors, or lack thereof, when criticizing activities and don't simply call out those that you don't understand/agree with. We've seen far riskier activities than outdoor protesters wearing masks, yet people keep going on about them.

If there is still confusion on haircuts vs. protests, I'd refer you to the Constitution for further clarity.

[Sno0909]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

Thanks for the visual. I count one person without a mask and they are clearly outside. Given those two mitigating factors, I don't think that would be considered very high risk. Certainly nowhere near the risk level of those in a similar age group sitting shoulder-to-shoulder indoors for hours without a mask in sight. Can we at least agree on that?

Not sure a bandanna from Wal-Mart is a viable mitigation technique for the transmission of Covid. Can we agree on that? On top of that, there are thousands of people shoulder to shoulder yelling at the sky. Stuff is still being transmitted. I don't know how you can deny that.

And I will agree that non-masked people shoulder to shoulder at a bar is worse. No doubt. But again, not sure how the whole salon thing is such an issue. And I have absolutely no skin in that game....I shave my head myself.

[LBTRS]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

I'm not advocating for protests. I'm saying consider mitigating factors, or lack thereof, when criticizing activities and don't simply call out those that you don't understand/agree with. We've seen far riskier activities than outdoor protesters wearing masks, yet people keep going on about them.

If there is still confusion on haircuts vs. protests, I'd refer you to the Constitution for further clarity.

Since I didn't identify anyone, it is good to see that you recognize who has lost all credibility in this argument.

Btw...if the Constitution was the sole reason for your argument you would not have pointed out the political rallies, churches, or "salon protesters, in your previous posts. Again, you are cherry picking based off of your political bias. As we all suspected your POV has little to do with the Constitution.