Covid virus in phoenix (neighbourhoods, permit, cafe)

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by Sno0909

I don't go out to restaurants or hang out with a bunch of people. I don't shop for clothes or anything else. Usually grocery store or hardware store...that's about it. I'm fairly contained to a small area. But I refuse to become a recluse. If I need to go somewhere - I go. We all can't "lay low" for another year (or longer). Mental health is a thing too, and people need to get out and do something. I'm going camping next week.

Absolutely agree! You should do what you think is best & not let the meddlers get you down. Definitely go camping, which might be safer than being anywhere in or around Phoenix anyway. In June, I spent over a week in Idaho, and I have 2 more trips planned very soon. There's no way I'm staying in this hell hole all summer! Being isolated in one location for any length of time isn't good for mental health (or physical health for that matter).

[john3232]

Originally Posted by Sno0909

Now for a break in the constant stream of negativity.

Went to Fry's and Lowe's in South Gilbert today (both off Higley) and I witnessed 100% compliance in mask wearing. That is an absolute first for me. Maybe some of these people are starting to catch on. Time will tell.

85205 zip is almost 100% every store I have gone into this week.

[C3155]

What time of day were you there?
I find where I live mask varies in compliance based on time of day. The earlier the higher the compliance.

[C3155]

Originally Posted by LBTRS

Are you sure they are tested each day and not screened? Testing each employee every day would be enormously expensive and time consuming. I'm screened everyday when I get to work and that is how most employers do it.

That's true , someone who has been exposed can test negative for 48 hrs or even longer.

[john3232]

Originally Posted by C3155

What time of day were you there?
I find where I live mask varies in compliance based on time of day. The earlier the higher the compliance.

Before noon.

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Here are some protestors COVID testing data out of MN. It's from http://www.wired.com/story/what-minn...ovid-19-spread

"As Floyd’s death sparked a massive protest movement that spread from Minneapolis to the rest of the world, epidemiologists and public health officials fretted that the thronging crowds would supercharge viral spread, ........

The decision paved the way for opening four free testing sites around the Twin Cities, in neighborhoods most affected by the protests....Of the 3,200 people tested so far at the four popup sites across the metro, 1.8 percent have tested positive for Covid-19, says Ehresmann. HealthPartners, one of the largest health care providers in Minnesota, also reported to the state that it had tested about 8,500 people who indicated that attendance at a mass gathering was the reason they wanted a test. Among them, 0.99 percent tested positive. These numbers have been one of the few pleasant surprises since the outbreak began, says Ehresmann. “Right now, with the data available to us, it appears there was very little transmission at protest events,” she says. “We’re just absolutely relieved.”

The take away is that if you are outside, shouting, and people around you are wearing a POS mask, the dilution in the atmosphere doesn't seem to allow the virus levels to build up in the air. It also reveals the power of masks for blocking the larger virus loads. My brain is thinking, large particles are the problem or aerosols in a closed-in area. It seems that anything less than a large viral dose substantially drops the odds of getting infected.

Continuing this POV, the states with the prominent upticks that were hot and or humid are entertaining themselves indoors without a mask. That's a recipe for disaster. As others have pointed out, TX, CA, FL, AZ, NV all have something in common: a lot of Hispanics who are getting COVID at a disproportionate level. 1+1=2.

[Sno0909]

Originally Posted by MN-Born-n-Raised

Here are some protestors COVID testing data out of MN. It's from http://www.wired.com/story/what-minn...ovid-19-spread

"As Floyd’s death sparked a massive protest movement that spread from Minneapolis to the rest of the world, epidemiologists and public health officials fretted that the thronging crowds would supercharge viral spread, ........

The decision paved the way for opening four free testing sites around the Twin Cities, in neighborhoods most affected by the protests....Of the 3,200 people tested so far at the four popup sites across the metro, 1.8 percent have tested positive for Covid-19, says Ehresmann. HealthPartners, one of the largest health care providers in Minnesota, also reported to the state that it had tested about 8,500 people who indicated that attendance at a mass gathering was the reason they wanted a test. Among them, 0.99 percent tested positive. These numbers have been one of the few pleasant surprises since the outbreak began, says Ehresmann. “Right now, with the data available to us, it appears there was very little transmission at protest events,” she says. “We’re just absolutely relieved.”

The take away is that if you are outside, shouting, and people around you are wearing a POS mask, the dilution in the atmosphere doesn't seem to allow the virus levels to build up in the air. It also reveals the power of masks for blocking the larger virus loads. My brain is thinking, large particles are the problem or aerosols in a closed-in area. It seems that anything less than a large viral dose substantially drops the odds of getting infected.

Continuing this POV, the states with the prominent upticks that were hot and or humid are entertaining themselves indoors without a mask. That's a recipe for disaster. As others have pointed out, TX, CA, FL, AZ, NV all have something in common: a lot of Hispanics who are getting COVID at a disproportionate level. 1+1=2.

I agree with your assessment about masks, but a few things just don't add up for me. Not trying to be a conspiracy theorist, but come on. These people were in VERY large groups, yelling and shouting, for days on end. On top of that, a lot of these areas are also some of the poorest areas in the Twin Cities metro. So they have two strikes against them - poverty and large gatherings. Sure, they were outside, but there are more factors at play here.

Also, one other thing I just thought of. I would all but guarantee many of the protesters do not actually reside in the areas they were protesting at. A lot of the protesters were white 20 somethings fighting for social justice. Many of them are probably in college or still live with their parents. I highly doubt they live in the riot-stricken neighborhoods. So I don't think many of them would be making the trek back down to that area to get tested. Just a thought.

[JGMotorsport64]

Originally Posted by Sno0909

I agree with your assessment about masks, but a few things just don't add up for me. Not trying to be a conspiracy theorist, but come on. These people were in VERY large groups, yelling and shouting, for days on end. On top of that, a lot of these areas are also some of the poorest areas in the Twin Cities metro. So they have two strikes against them - poverty and large gatherings. Sure, they were outside, but there are more factors at play here.

Also, one other thing I just thought of. I would all but guarantee many of the protesters do not actually reside in the areas they were protesting at. A lot of the protesters were white 20 somethings fighting for social justice. Many of them are probably in college or still live with their parents. I highly doubt they live in the riot-stricken neighborhoods. So I don't think many of them would be making the trek back down to that area to get tested. Just a thought.

This is some wishful thinking on your part. Sheesh. What about the overwhelming majority of protestors who are not what you hope them to be? The data shows something you don't like no need to twist yourself into a pretzel to explain it away.

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by john3232

85205 zip is almost 100% every store I have gone into this week.

Interestingly enough, Phoenix proper here has the mandatory mask order, yet last Friday I went to the QT at 16th St&Highland and only me and the employees were wearing masks. There were like 10 other customers and not one was wearing a mask

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by Sno0909

I agree with your assessment about masks, but a few things just don't add up for me. Not trying to be a conspiracy theorist, but come on. These people were in VERY large groups, yelling and shouting, for days on end. On top of that, a lot of these areas are also some of the poorest areas in the Twin Cities metro. So they have two strikes against them - poverty and large gatherings. Sure, they were outside, but there are more factors at play here.

Also, one other thing I just thought of. I would all but guarantee many of the protesters do not actually reside in the areas they were protesting at. A lot of the protesters were white 20 somethings fighting for social justice. Many of them are probably in college or still live with their parents. I highly doubt they live in the riot-stricken neighborhoods. So I don't think many of them would be making the trek back down to that area to get tested. Just a thought.

Not trying to be a conspiracy theorist, but here's a conspiracy theory.

It seems the new default is to claim some sort of hidden ploy when one's opinion ends up being proven wrong. There is almost no point in providing data any longer, because if it doesn't support someone's agenda, it's brushed off, invalidated and chalked up as scam. So yeah, let's drop the conspiracy theories, let the data drive the conversation, and check our bias at the door.

Originally Posted by JGMotorsport64

This is some wishful thinking on your part. Sheesh. What about the overwhelming majority of protestors who are not what you hope them to be? The data shows something you don't like no need to twist yourself into a pretzel to explain it away.

Exactly.