Covid virus in phoenix (Tempe: wages, taxes, vehicle)

[Burning Madolf]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

Seriously? You have lived a pretty sheltered (no pun) life if you think this is hell. Several of the states and nations that are relaxing restrictions are bringing them down to the level that we have in Arizona. We are so lax here that the covid modelers won't even give us credit for closing non-essential services.

To clarify, I'm talking nationwide who have lost their jobs and probably have no prospects until the economy opens up again.

[Burning Madolf]

Originally Posted by MN-Born-n-Raised

I took his words for a "public ploy" as "never letting a crisis go to waste" type mentality. I'll let him clarify.

Of course that's what I meant. Anyone who disagrees with Troit is an Alex Jones fanboy covered head to toe in tin foil.

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by Burning Madolf

To clarify, I'm talking nationwide who have lost their jobs and probably have no prospects until the economy opens up again.

Even in low unemployment pay Arizona, people are getting around 800 bucks a week. The major part is tax free so it's roughly equivalent to a $50K salary. For some that's a cut, for others a raise of sorts. That money is getting to people right now (I have family members who are seeing it). Even people who are independent contractors are getting $600 per week. The ones taking a beating are the small business owners with limited capital reserves. Many of them won't make it. And we will be in a recession for several months at least assuming the virus does not come back right away or again in the fall. In the long run, that will be more damaging than the present difficulties.

[Burning Madolf]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

Fine, you said “this” in a thread discussing distancing and other mitigation efforts. What is “this” then that is being used as a political ploy as you’re claiming. Regardless, you’re suggesting that this is being used as a conspiracy to push a policial agenda rather than public health. That’s utter paranoid nonsense.

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by Burning Madolf

Of course that's what I meant. Anyone who disagrees with Troit is an Alex Jones fanboy covered head to toe in tin foil.

No, only those that insist there’s some evil hidden plan under the covers. Not everything is so conniving and scary.

[Burning Madolf]

Originally Posted by llowllevellowll

I don't want to answer for the poster, but I'm personally of the belief that COVID is simply a trigger -- not entirely different from the many other triggers that set in motion the inevitable crashes of unhealthy economies.

Sadly, I don't believe this economy is coming back when this is "all over"; with or without the virus, we had slowing GDP growth, slowing labor supply growth, a lack of meaningful technological innovations, unbelievable mounting debt that we've since skyrocketed to the moon, and we had and now have an ever increasing percentage of the workforce who can't afford to purchase the products they also no longer make. I am sure, though, that the administration has enough scapegoats to point fingers for 4-5 months prior to the election for re-election, but we've been fooling ourselves into believing that we're as healthy as our artificial stock market appears for the past 6 years. Shoot, even Trump called Obama's market numbers a giant bubble before he was elected and that was 3,000-some DOW points below where we are now.

This isn't going to go well.

Although I won't argue the national econ numbers with you (our debt alone will sink future generations along with offshoring almost all production) but the Phoenix area was moving along quite nicely (not too hot, not too cold). Not to say it wouldn't have changed.

[Burning Madolf]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

No, only those that insist there’s some evil hidden plan under the covers. Not everything is so conniving and scary.

Governor Newsom, Biden, house whip Clyburn, and others have made comments about the CV-19 offering an opportunity to forward a progressive and green agenda.


This is no longer about staggering the load on hospitals.

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by Burning Madolf

Governor Newsom, Biden, house whip Clyburn, and others have made comments about the CV-19 offering an opportunity to forward a progressive and green agenda.


This is no longer about staggering the load on hospitals.

What isn’t?

[VTsnowbird]

Please try to stick to the topic and avoid bickering. Thanks.

[DetroitN8V]

Any who, is there any data out there to suggest that we’ve hit the peak? It seems all the rallying cries to “reopen the economy” are based on impatience and frustration rather than data. I’d love to go out for dinner or a drink, but not if it means we’re taking one step forward and two back.