Covid virus in phoenix (Maricopa: movers, parties, hospitals)

[wase4711]

https://youtu.be/xfLVxx_lBLU

[Hal Roach]

Originally Posted by wase4711

https://youtu.be/xfLVxx_lBLU

I watched the first twenty minutes. Excellent!

I saw another I interesting statistic, elsewhere. The ten largest cities on Earth, have less than 1000 deaths, combined. So quit congratulating yourselves for living in the stucco sprawl.

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by Hal Roach

I watched the first twenty minutes. Excellent!

I saw another I interesting statistic, elsewhere. The ten largest cities on Earth, have less than 1000 deaths, combined. So quit congratulating yourselves for living in the stucco sprawl.

Forgetting the fact that you are putting words in people's mouths (I don't remember anyone saying that they are safe because they live in the burbs), there are obviously many more variables MUCH more important than being more spread out. I'd go nuts if I had to live in a 575 square foot flat.

I do remember congratulating myself on living in "stucco sprawl". The 1st reason is that I am able to roam my larger home and walk and bike 25+ parks versus feeling like a caged animal. And because I am out in the land of stucco sprawl, I got it cheap. And in my situation, I, therefore, don't have any financial stress. YMMV.

But while we are discussing locations, I'd MUCH rather be in the stucco sprawl central, AZ versus Thailand. YMMV.

Question... Are you suggesting that living in one of the largest cities in the world is the reason why COVID cases are low? Should we all live on top of one another to reduce the risk of getting the virus? Because that's a new virus transmission theory.

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by Hal Roach

Tokyo, Dhaka, Mumbai, Cairo, Mexico City, Delhi, Beijing , Sao Paulo, Osaka, Shanghai....231 million people, 930 deaths from COVID-19. Bangkok isn't in the top 20..usually about 25th.

I was just dispelling another myth, and I have seen many remarks from people declaring themselves safer in the suburbs.

Show me a post where someone said: "I'm safe because I live in a PHX suburb"? You won't.

You are confusing a myth with not understanding 9th grade science. With COVID, all things being equal, distancing helps. The only thing we SHOULD be debating is how much it matters. I can see that living in smaller towns is not remotely as important as the top several transmission reasons. Comparing stats with different cultures, age ranges, people's health, and 50 other variables is nearly impossible. But riding a packed subway sure-the-Hell doesn't help.

Maybe the bigger towns are smarter than New Yorkers because they wear masks and wash their hands more? Those two variables are obviously much more important. The fact that you can see everyone wearing masks suggests in some of the biggest cities in the world probably means they took it more seriously. And how many chubby people do you see in the 10 largest cities? Maybe there is a correlation with people who don't over fill their faces and people who become the sickest? We already know that's related.

OBVIOUSLY all things aren't equal. So yea, a pork processing plant in the middle of Sioux Falls, SD (spread-out-central) had a large outbreak.

Originally Posted by Hal Roach

The upcoming real estate downturn is a nine inning game. So far, we haven't even started the first inning, but we did witness a horrific flyover by Boeing, and the beer is shutoff, and the fans aren't allowed in the stadium. Having a large house is nice, until the electric bill comes, but there is much more downside, when built on cheap land. The same applies to the vinyl siding sprawl of Northern Virginia, or the concrete sprawl of Bangkok.

When I posted, you might have missed the word "my" and I added "YMMV". So I won't have a large AC bill. I don't live in AZ over the summer. And if I did, I am not like 68% of the people who only have a $500 emergency fund. Rather, I have a multi-year emergency fund. Like it or not (and I don't like it), we are all in this together. There is a lesson for people living under financial stress right now. Wondering how they can make their next car payment etc. Live under your means. Save for a rainy day. Chip away at your debt, etc.

[Sno0909]

Originally Posted by Hal Roach

I watched the first twenty minutes. Excellent!

I saw another I interesting statistic, elsewhere. The ten largest cities on Earth, have less than 1000 deaths, combined. So quit congratulating yourselves for living in the stucco sprawl.

Most of those large cities are sh*tholes and I wouldn't trust any number coming out of there. Same with China. I don't even trust our own numbers.

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by Sno0909

Most of those large cities are sh*tholes and I wouldn't trust any number coming out of there. Same with China. I don't even trust our own numbers.

If they are true (I don't see why they aren't) it IS interesting. We can all come up with all kinds of reasons why. And each would be a guess.

The best I can tell, the death rate is about 1/25th as bad as was initially claimed. As I said before, personally, Sweden is doing it right!

[belgirl]

Here is also an interesting article on testing and what testing levels are needed per state to reopen: https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/27/...afe-reopening/

[belgirl]

Originally Posted by MN-Born-n-Raised

True. Excluding large USA international cities, I suspect a fraction of the people here have been exposed to the virus. What, 3 to 5 percent? I know. A lot more in NYC. Meanwhile, Sweden is well on their way to herd immunity. We are hiding under rocks while they face it head on. So long as their hospitals are not overrun, they are doing it a lot better.

Here in the States, we are acting as if the death rate is 3.5%. It’s probably closer than .1% or as high as .4%. So free up the healthy and get the ball rolling.. NOW. Use their cautious approach. Now if people with immune deficiencies and other risk factor(s) try out their luck, they are going to get themselves in trouble. The longer we wait, the longer we push out the inevitable: more people are going to die unless we wait for a vaccine.

Some studies are now saying that its probably closer to 0.1% - same death rate as the flu. Of course some people on this board will say "You don't understand!!! You can't free up the healthy because all the asymptomatic people will still infect the old and vulnerable."

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by wase4711

https://youtu.be/xfLVxx_lBLU

Originally Posted by Hal Roach

I watched the first twenty minutes. Excellent!

I saw another I interesting statistic, elsewhere. The ten largest cities on Earth, have less than 1000 deaths, combined. So quit congratulating yourselves for living in the stucco sprawl.

No, not so excellent. The video was removed by Youtube and physician groups are speaking out against these two and their agenda.

https://calmatters.org/health/2020/0...d-conclusions/

[Hal Roach]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

No, not so excellent. The video was removed by Youtube and physician groups are speaking out against these two and their agenda.

https://calmatters.org/health/2020/0...d-conclusions/

I suppose the VA "study" was more accurate.