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Old 04-29-2019, 06:02 PM
 
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Which one is fake? That Manila is at rank 93? And Jakarta is there at 16? Or the numbers? FYI, Manila is mere city of over 1 million people. We are talking here about Metro Manila with pop of about 13million, the Philippines National Capital Region versus Jakarta the metro with 10million(11m?). Emporis doesn't group cities in Metro Manila into one as it recogizes them as separate cities even though they are agglomerated into one continuous metropolis similar to how Jakarta cities/districts are organized. I already gave you the overall completed 150m figures when I personally counted them.

Metro Manila- (Total)172
*Quezon City- 22
*Manila City- 18
*Taguig-29
*Pasig-11
*Makati-65
*Mandaluyong- 27
https://www.emporis.com/country/100131/philippines


Jakarta- (Total)149
https://www.emporis.com/city/100259/jakarta-indonesia

The link you gave is showing and takes into consideration not only completed buildings but also underconstruction and planned ones that is the reason why Jakarta has 181 instead of just the 149 I counted. And since cities in Metro Manila are counted separately the ranking gives you the cities of Makati, Taguig, Mandaluyong and Manila at 48,86,90,93;respectively instead of putting them into one homogeneous figure.

https://www.emporis.com/statistics/m...ties-worldwide

16 Jakarta 181 ( Total )- 181


48 Makati 91
86 Taguig 44
90 Mandaluyong 39
93 Manila 37
- Subtotal - 211
12 Metro Manila ( Grand Total )- 276

Using the figures on those 4 cities alone it is already more than 30 what you have there in Jakarta. That doesn't even include yet Pasig and Quezon City which has 31 and 34, respectively. Combining all 150m in Metro Manila with these 6 cities that totals to 276. That's 95 more than Jakarta has. That makes it 12th worldwide again using the link you gave.

https://www.emporis.com/city/100390/...ty-philippines
https://www.emporis.com/city/100397/...ll-buildings/1

This is one reason this site appears to be more reliable as they put cities in the world as one metropolitan agglomeration rather than counting metro cities/districts separately.

https://tudl0867.home.xs4all.nl/skylines.html



Many SSCians still defines skyscraper as building 150m above that's the consensus(maybe not on SSC) but on most sites(CTBUH,Emporis,etc) and even some still use 100m as benchmark. I understand Jakarta has more 200m above but nope it is not the concluded basis yet of it being called skyscraper currently, maybe in the decades to come as buildings go taller that can be the norm. Even so using the 200m benchmark, the difference isn't that much either.

Most cities skyline would be on par except the behemoths if we judge them SUBJECTIVELY, that's why we are looking into them OBJECTIVELY. Manila isn't short when we speak of quality of buildings. Difference is in Jakarta they are mostly concentrated in an area or stretch of avenue while Manila spread all throughout its CBDs.
So skyscrapercenter puts completed project, while emporis don't. And yet somehow its more updated and complete?

And how did you exactly count again?

https://www.emporis.com/city/100396/...tus/existing/3

Here Makati shows 46 completed building of 150m+. So all your points are invalid.

Jakarta have 90: https://www.emporis.com/city/100259/...tus/existing/5

Count again for me will you lol.

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Old 04-29-2019, 06:23 PM
 
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So skyscrapercenter puts completed project, while emporis don't. And yet somehow its more updated and complete?

And how did you exactly count again?

https://www.emporis.com/city/100396/...tus/existing/3

Here Makati shows 46 completed building of 150m+. So all your points are invalid.

Jakarta have 90: https://www.emporis.com/city/100259/...tus/existing/5

Count again for me will you lol.
Skyscrapercenter lacks data while emporis is more complete. Emporis also puts completed projects, they also have for all skyscrapers not just completed, u/c and planned. Please try going through the sites and discover it for yourself.


Scroll pages 10, 11 & 12 honey for Jakarta. And go to pages 4&5 for Makati. Bwalah. You are obviously not skimming carefully. Now tell me my counting and point weren't valid. Also do't just include Makati, add Manila City, Quezon, Pasig, Mandaluyong and Taguig coz that what makes up Metro Manila. You counting only the first few pages of each city instead of completely looking all pages makes it even harder for Jakarta to beat Manila as 46 is already more than half of 90 since there are 5 more cities to add for Manila.

You're funny guy to argue with. Make sure you exhausted your resources before accusing and mocking someone.

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Old 04-29-2019, 07:16 PM
 
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Neither of them have valid data. They receive external inputs. They even get confused to classify what skyscraper, highrise, etc. So stop this nonsense.
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Old 04-29-2019, 07:35 PM
 
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Skyscrapercenter lacks data while emporis is more complete. Emporis also puts completed projects, they also have for all skyscrapers not just completed, u/c and planned. Please try going through the sites and discover it for yourself.


Scroll pages 10, 11 & 12 honey for Jakarta. And go to pages 4&5 for Makati. Bwalah. You are obviously not skimming carefully. Now tell me my counting and point weren't valid. Also do't just include Makati, add Manila City, Quezon, Pasig, Mandaluyong and Taguig coz that what makes up Metro Manila. You counting only the first few pages of each city instead of completely looking all pages makes it even harder for Jakarta to beat Manila as 46 is already more than half of 90 since there are 5 more cities to add for Manila.

You're funny guy to argue with. Make sure you exhausted your resources before accusing and mocking someone.
To prove how invalid it is, open its ultimate ranking, skyline ranking

https://www.emporis.com/statistics/skyline-ranking

See Seoul at 2 and Shanghai at 14? And the number of buildings in Seoul (16,000s) is ten times of Shanghai (1,600s)?
Yep, Emporis can be so ridiculously stupid. Moreover people who believe in it. LOL

This



Beat this in number of tall buildings? LOL

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Old 04-29-2019, 08:30 PM
 
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I like this skyline ranking, but they need to update it. Last data is from 2015
The World's Best Skylines


They use an algorithm to come up with the scores. They take into account the number of skyscrapers, how tall they are, and in how much land area. Shanghai is ranked far ahead Seoul.
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Old 04-29-2019, 08:42 PM
 
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Skyscrapercenter lacks data while emporis is more complete. Emporis also puts completed projects, they also have for all skyscrapers not just completed, u/c and planned. Please try going through the sites and discover it for yourself.


Scroll pages 10, 11 & 12 honey for Jakarta. And go to pages 4&5 for Makati. Bwalah. You are obviously not skimming carefully. Now tell me my counting and point weren't valid. Also do't just include Makati, add Manila City, Quezon, Pasig, Mandaluyong and Taguig coz that what makes up Metro Manila. You counting only the first few pages of each city instead of completely looking all pages makes it even harder for Jakarta to beat Manila as 46 is already more than half of 90 since there are 5 more cities to add for Manila.

You're funny guy to argue with. Make sure you exhausted your resources before accusing and mocking someone.
Yes im too lazy to bother lol and you dont have to repeat yourself too many times about how many cities in MM are there, but then again my point is you posted wrong informations. How did 46 turn up to be 60? Now be kind and do the right math.

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Old 04-30-2019, 06:06 AM
 
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Yes im too lazy to bother lol and you dont have to repeat yourself too many times about how many cities in MM are there, but then again my point is you posted wrong informations. How did 46 turn up to be 60? Now be kind and do the right math.
You dont need so much math my friend, you need to go over the site once again and after the 150m list ends at 46(pages1&2),thinking it already ended there, more 150ms shows up at page 4&5. Same with Jakarta after the list as if it ends at page 6, then suddenly at pages 11&12 more 150ms shows up. I don't think that gives you the right to rebut and keeps discussing with us if you are too lazy to read nor to labored to do things that needs to be done to make yourself reliable. Get back to me if you are no longer lazy and will toil for things to get factual data.
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Old 04-30-2019, 06:10 AM
 
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Neither of them have valid data. They receive external inputs. They even get confused to classify what skyscraper, highrise, etc. So stop this nonsense.
Nobody has perfect data but at least the other is more updated and has more records available. One is very far from truth, other one is nearer. Which one will you choose?
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Old 04-30-2019, 06:30 PM
 
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To prove how invalid it is, open its ultimate ranking, skyline ranking

https://www.emporis.com/statistics/skyline-ranking

See Seoul at 2 and Shanghai at 14? And the number of buildings in Seoul (16,000s) is ten times of Shanghai (1,600s)?
Yep, Emporis can be so ridiculously stupid. Moreover people who believe in it. LOL

This



Beat this in number of tall buildings? LOL
We we're discussing 150m skyscrapers on Emporis, did not mention about their skyline ranking. Their skyline ranking maybe flawed but their listing of buildings like 150meters are somehow more factual than the other site. We have sound minds to know and judge which data to use and which one to discard.

They are probably using different height standard with their skyline ranking. Again, we can take whatever information on their site that is more factual and from those info we can create our own skyline ranking methodology. That solves your problem. You are just straying away from the original topic of who has the most number of 150 meters.
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Old 04-30-2019, 08:29 PM
 
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You dont need so much math my friend, you need to go over the site once again and after the 150m list ends at 46(pages1&2),thinking it already ended there, more 150ms shows up at page 4&5. Same with Jakarta after the list as if it ends at page 6, then suddenly at pages 11&12 more 150ms shows up. I don't think that gives you the right to rebut and keeps discussing with us if you are too lazy to read nor to labored to do things that needs to be done to make yourself reliable. Get back to me if you are no longer lazy and will toil for things to get factual data.
Only if you actually posted factual data, you have no right to tell me off. Most of the things you said are outrigbt speculation.

I've done my research for a bit and apparently "existing" Buildings in emporis included many which are still under construction, lol.

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