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How do you figure, when everyone is saying they would not be upset?
Their actions speak the opposite, including your actions in your posts in this thread.
If you really believed "this is ideal and welcome in the sight of our Saviour, God," (1Ti 2:3), that "God will have all mankind to be saved" you would see it as ideal and welcome. Instead, you find it far from ideal and not welcome.
I think some need to be saved from thinking God is angry with people who don't believe the "right things" or who don't measure up to some arbitrary standard of perfection.
Would you then abandon Him? Or would you face it that you were the one wrong and He was right all along? Would you really cry foul on God that He doesn't do the best thing for mankind?
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If He was found to be a liar and an eternal torturer I would spit in His face.
Interesting. So if God doesn't fit your interpretations of the Bible using eisegesis, He is in the wrong and you are never wrong? While I would be fine if I was wrong and God did save all mankind, you on the other hand would spit in His face if you were wrong?
So let me get this straight for the record.
You're right. I'm ok and your ok.
You're wrong. I'm ok and you're going spit in God's face.
I sincerely hope you change your mind if you find you're wrong.
(BTW the Bible doesn't support eternal pain or torture, but it does support eternal punishment. Which is death, never to return, AKA second death.)
Interesting. So if God doesn't fit your interpretations of the Bible using eisegesis, He is in the wrong and you are never wrong?
No, 1 Timothy 2:4-6 needs no interpretation. It just needs to be believed. It is very plain: GOD WILL HAVE ALL MANKIND TO BE SAVED.
If God personallly came to me and said: "Eusebius, I am going to save all mankind because Christ ransomed all" but I got to heaven and found out He had no intention whatsoever of saving all, I would realize I am dealing with a very sick being.
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While I would be fine if I was wrong and God did save all mankind, you on the other hand would spit in His face if you were wrong?
No, I would spit in His face if He lied to me.
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So let me get this straight for the record.
You're right. I'm ok and your ok.
You're wrong. I'm ok and you're going spit in God's face.
I sincerely hope you change your mind if you find you're wrong.
(BTW the Bible doesn't support eternal pain or torture, but it does support eternal punishment. Which is death, never to return, AKA second death.)
Only in an improperly translation version is eternal punishment supported. Better get a better bible.
Really? call foul on a supposedly all-powerful god who will turn on you in a heartbeat and consign you to an eternity in torment? I can only hope I could be that brave, but eternity in torment with no hope of reprieve? It would take an incredible person to be able to stand for what is right and good in the face of that. I imagine most of us would be groveling right alongside the majority of humanity.
But then, your god knows our every thought, yes? Surely he would know that we are saying we love and adore him out of pure terror. I suppose he'd be okay with that. Tyranical evil despots usually are, right? They get off on having that kind of controlling power.
You still have not answered my question about how God will change every person's mind.
One of the fastest growing groups are atheist. The facts show things are going in reverse from what you preach. More people are not flocking to God. They are flocking away. God is not turning people. He doesn't control people and the facts support that. Every year there are more people that turn away from God than the year before. Please explain how this will be stopped. If your theories were true the facts would show the exact opposite of we actually see in the world today.
So you see lies. Yet there is no way you could ever think that you were wrong in your interpretation in the Bible? Pride, haughtiness and a complete lack of humility if you would actually spit in God's face if it didn't come out the way you thought it would, encourages me to remind you of the following verses.
Mark 7:21, 22, "For from inside, out of the heart of men, come injurious reasonings... haughtiness, and unreasonableness."
James 4:6, "However, the undeserved kindness that He gives is greater. So it says: “God opposes the haughty ones, but he gives undeserved kindness to the humble ones.”
Also I recognize eisegesis as a flawed way to interpret the Bible and not the Bible.
I do not need to be saved from sin or corruption and mortality. hahahaha read that wrong.
I do not really want to be immortal. I intend to live a verrrry long life, and get body parts replaced as needed.
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Your post proves you are sinning and corrupted.
You do need saved from sin and death even if you think otherwise.
Once you put on immortality, you will understand it all much better. No body parts needed.
Wait... shouldn't the message be... 'no worries, God will save you in the end' ... ?
She will at some point be saved from sin and death, right? What's the big deal about what she thinks now?
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