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Wait... shouldn't the message be... 'no worries, God will save you in the end' ... ?
She will at some point be saved from sin and death, right? What's the big deal about what she thinks now?
Why defend universal salvation at all? There's no reason in convincing the already saved right?
If universal salvation were true there would be no need for people to support it. Wouldn't it stand on it's own? Like predictions that the world was going to end in the year 2000. That seemed so real to so many. Then the day came and passed and the movement died from a lack of support. Look at the gods Zeus etc etc. Time will reveal what is true and what is not. My main concern is how people react when they are wrong. Including even how I will react. I'm sure there will be things I will be corrected on. I fully expect to be corrected. The Bible has corrected me so many times already I have lost count.
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Wait... shouldn't the message be... 'no worries, God will save you in the end' ... ?
She will at some point be saved from sin and death, right? What's the big deal about what she thinks now?
What she thinks now will affect what she does. What she does to others that result in hurt or harm will be what she has done to herself because we reap whatever we sow. The only way to avoid it is to repent, i.e. truly change the character of your mind, NOT simple remorse or apology. All the concern about salvation is just a distraction because Jesus took care of that for us all.
Wait... shouldn't the message be... 'no worries, God will save you in the end' ... ?
She will at some point be saved from sin and death, right? What's the big deal about what she thinks now?
It matters quite a lot what one thinks now. For instance, she may believe God is just like the god of Christendom and she could go through life a miserable person thinking God could strike her dead at any moment or send her to hell for eternity. Whereas if she believed the truth of God saving all, she could go through life being God's friend. What we think does make a difference in our current lives.
Why defend universal salvation at all? There's no reason in convincing the already saved right?
We could just let you go on thinking God is going to fry the majority of mankind. Of course, that may not bother you one bit. You might even rejoice in that. Heck, you might even be burning people at the stake on the side just to help God out for all we know. But we are trying to help you see there is the truth and that all lies should be replaced with the truth, do you not agree?
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If universal salvation were true there would be no need for people to support it. Wouldn't it stand on it's own? Like predictions that the world was going to end in the year 2000. That seemed so real to so many. Then the day came and passed and the movement died from a lack of support. Look at the gods Zeus etc etc. Time will reveal what is true and what is not. My main concern is how people react when they are wrong. Including even how I will react. I'm sure there will be things I will be corrected on. I fully expect to be corrected. The Bible has corrected me so many times already I have lost count.
Let it correct you just one more time. You've come this far with God. Why not trust Him on this one matter that He really will have all mankind to be saved. After all, He did say He will even if Satan says He won't by using other posters in this thread.
It matters quite a lot what one thinks now. For instance, she may believe God is just like the god of Christendom and she could go through life a miserable person thinking God could strike her dead at any moment or send her to hell for eternity. Whereas if she believed the truth of God saving all, she could go through life being God's friend. What we think does make a difference in our current lives.
Hold on... let's replay the conversation....
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Originally Posted by RonkonkomaNative
I do not need to be saved from sin or corruption and mortality. hahahaha read that wrong.
I do not really want to be immortal. I intend to live a verrrry long life, and get body parts replaced as needed.
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Originally Posted by Eusebius
Your post proves you are sinning and corrupted.
You do need saved from sin and death even if you think otherwise.
Once you put on immortality, you will understand it all much better. No body parts needed.
You are referring to salvation from sin and death when you spoke to her. You told here she was corrupted. That should not matter from your perspective.
But when you answered me above - you spoke of a message about her perspective on being God's friend, and no mention of corruption - which is entirely different.
Honestly - just between you and me - she doesn't seem worried about what God thinks. She doesn't need Him. I think, she thinks she is OK.
You say what we think is important. I say that whose we are is more important. Being part of the family of God through faith is the most important thing we can take with us when we leave this earth... our eternal life depends upon it.
Their actions speak the opposite, including your actions in your posts in this thread.
So, you ask questions, and people take their time to answer them, and because the answers were not what you expected, you declare that everyone lied, and in reality they think what you expected
We could just let you go on thinking God is going to fry the majority of mankind. Of course, that may not bother you one bit. You might even rejoice in that. Heck, you might even be burning people at the stake on the side just to help God out for all we know. But we are trying to help you see there is the truth and that all lies should be replaced with the truth, do you not agree?
Let it correct you just one more time. You've come this far with God. Why not trust Him on this one matter that He really will have all mankind to be saved. After all, He did say He will even if Satan says He won't by using other posters in this thread.
I have come this far with God that is true. He has also given me an education in the Bible to reject such things as universal salvation and keep from things that are not true. Way too many things don't add up with this doctrine. I only have one piece of advice. If you end up being wrong I would not recommend spiting in God's face...ever.
You are referring to salvation from sin and death when you spoke to her. You told here she was corrupted. That should not matter from your perspective.
But when you answered me above - you spoke of a message about her perspective on being God's friend, and no mention of corruption - which is entirely different.
Honestly - just between you and me - she doesn't seem worried about what God thinks. She doesn't need Him. I think, she thinks she is OK.
You say what we think is important. I say that whose we are is more important. Being part of the family of God through faith is the most important thing we can take with us when we leave this earth... our eternal life depends upon it.
I think I understand what you are saying DRob.
I thought I explained to her that we are all dying. No one can escape our dying condition until Christ returns and believers put on immortality and incorruption. Obviously we are mortal and corrupt, if, in the future, we put on immortality and incorruption, right?
She is dying and corrupt. Even if she thinks she needs no help, she still does.
If, what you are saying is correct that what we think isn't as important as Whose we are, both are taken by faith. The Apostle Paul addressed both issues by telling the believer Whose we are and corrected their wrong thinking. Is that not a fair statement for me to make?
Paul's epistles are based on doctrine and deportment. If one has bad doctrine, ones deportment will reflect that.
You say what we think is important. I say that whose we are is more important.
I wish I could give more rep. This will have to do.
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