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Him saving the criminal on the right, and not the one on the left is 100% in sync with everything He taught.
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Originally Posted by zthatzmanz28
Are we sure the other was sent to burn in hell? It is not directly addressed in scripture one way or the other...
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Originally Posted by expatCA
Hell is not the issue. One was told he would be with Jesus in paradise and the other wasn't. Different futures if you will, one with him and one not. No indication the other would ever be with him, so Universal salvation fails on Jesus' own words.
He was crucified between two thieves: The mistakes of yesterday; and the fears of tomorrow.
What is going to happen to those hate God. Know that there is a God of love and hates everything he stands for including love. How will the mind of a person that fully knows they will have to become loving people but do not want to become loving people and love God?
Asking me questions is not answering mine.
When someone matures, they have a different perception.
I had a daughter who said she hated me, didn't love me.
Until, she understood that my love was unconditional.
You are welcome to your personal views. I do not wish to discuss something which has been explained to you so many times. People waste their time explaining things to you, when you always come back as if nothing had been said.
Now, that sounds familiar; and there is always the ignore button?
I know that some of you turn a deaf-ear to those who make sense.
Yes I would be upset since God would be found to be a liar since He told us He "will have all mankind to be saved," and Christ's ransoming of all mankind would be found to be completely ineffective.
Would you then abandon Him? Or would you face it that you were the one wrong and He was right all along? Would you really cry foul on God that He doesn't do the best thing for mankind?
"Enter by the narrow gate for the gate is wide and the road is broad that leads to destruction and many choose it but the gate is narrow and the road is hard that leads to life and there are few who find it."
Jesus was talking about the law of Moses. The law is very constricted and very hard. If righteousness were through law, Christ need not have died for our sins.
Would you then abandon Him? Or would you face it that you were the one wrong and He was right all along? Would you really cry foul on God that He doesn't do the best thing for mankind?
If He was found to be a liar and an eternal torturer I would spit in His face.
Eternal torture is in no way the best thing for mankind. The best thing for mankind, and which mankind will get is immortality and incorruption, salvation, reconciliation, righteousness, all due to Christ one act of obedience.
Would you then abandon Him? Or would you face it that you were the one wrong and He was right all along? Would you really cry foul on God that He doesn't do the best thing for mankind?
Really? call foul on a supposedly all-powerful god who will turn on you in a heartbeat and consign you to an eternity in torment? I can only hope I could be that brave, but eternity in torment with no hope of reprieve? It would take an incredible person to be able to stand for what is right and good in the face of that. I imagine most of us would be groveling right alongside the majority of humanity.
But then, your god knows our every thought, yes? Surely he would know that we are saying we love and adore him out of pure terror. I suppose he'd be okay with that. Tyranical evil despots usually are, right? They get off on having that kind of controlling power.
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