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Old 11-10-2012, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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And I don't think amnesty was necessarily the big issue with Hispanics, either. Most people, including racial minorities, still vote on economics more than anything else. Immigration reform was likely a higher priority issue for Hispanics than other groups, but certainly not the only one under consideration. Given how all these groups voted, clearly the Democrats are doing something rigth by them. And it's not free handouts or whatever other ridiculous notion you guys have. Asians are some of the most intelligent, hard-working people out there, with some of the lowest rates of government dependency, lower than whites. Why are they voting Democratic if there aren't bigger issues at play... and bigger problems with the Republican message?
Lots of black people I know voted for Obama this time because they felt he was the lesser of two evils. And, quite a few who waited in lines wrapped around corners in 2008 chose to stay home. Of course, Republicans didn't do themselves any favors by portraying black Americans as primarily being parasites waiting for free cell phones and government handouts.

Obama doesn't realize how many black votes he didn't get after he "evolved" on the gay marriage issue, which was seen as simply pandering for votes from gays. His nauseating pandering to illegals, while ignoring a 16% black unemployment rate also didn't win him any love. Yes, he received the majority of black votes, as ANY Democrat would. But, he has no idea how many he lost. Regardless, a vote for Obama is not tantamount to a vote for amnesty.
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Old 11-11-2012, 12:01 AM
 
Location: west mich
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Get ready folks I for one will not fight it anymore the Left has won might as well speed the decline up.
Those brown people scare you, do they? Yeah, get used to it - your old-white-republican world is indeed slipping away.
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Old 11-11-2012, 05:00 AM
 
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Those brown people scare you, do they? Yeah, get used to it - your old-white-republican world is indeed slipping away.
Lol...not very familiar with the forum members here, eh?
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Old 11-11-2012, 06:19 AM
 
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Those brown people scare you, do they? Yeah, get used to it - your old-white-republican world is indeed slipping away.
Uh; I DON'T think EdwardA is "white", I think he's a Black dude who's people came from Africa.
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Old 11-11-2012, 06:49 AM
 
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Those brown people scare you, do they? Yeah, get used to it - your old-white-republican world is indeed slipping away.
Why would you make such statements? Brown people don't scare us. What does scare us is our borders being so porous that we have millions of illegal immigrants in our country taking jobs and resources they have no right to. Not to mention the criminal element and would be terrorists that are probably slipping through. Skin color has nothing to do with it.

Why are you so afraid of white Americans and why would you claim that the GOP is only consisted of the white, elderly? Honestly, this contempt and racism towards whites is just stunning. I guess the Republican party stands for traditional white America, it's values, culture, heritage, history--everything to be despised? It is truly a remarkable display of racism. The amazing thing is that while talking about white Americans in this manner one in turn insinuates or outright accuses white Republicans of being racist! Hypocricy, much?

So what if Republicans are made up of primarily white voters? Why is that intrinsically evil? These same white Republican haters don't accuse the Democrat Party of being racist because a high percentage of minorities, including Black Panthers and ethnocentric La Razas (the race), call themselves members of that party. The double standards and hypocrisy is stunning.
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Old 11-11-2012, 07:30 AM
 
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Why would you make such statements? Brown people don't scare us. What does scare us is our borders being so porous that we have millions of illegal immigrants in our country taking jobs and resources they have no right to. Not to mention the criminal element and would be terrorists that are probably slipping through. Skin color has nothing to do with it.

Why are you so afraid of white Americans and why would you claim that the GOP is only consisted of the white, elderly? Honestly, this contempt and racism towards whites is just stunning. I guess the Republican party stands for traditional white America, it's values, culture, heritage, history--everything to be despised? It is truly a remarkable display of racism. The amazing thing is that while talking about white Americans in this manner one in turn insinuates or outright accuses white Republicans of being racist! Hypocricy, much?

So what if Republicans are made up of primarily white voters? Why is that intrinsically evil? These same white Republican haters don't accuse the Democrat Party of being racist because a high percentage of minorities, including Black Panthers and ethnocentric La Razas (the race), call themselves members of that party. The double standards and hypocrisy is stunning.
Agreed.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:50 AM
 
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And I don't think amnesty was necessarily the big issue with Hispanics, either. Most people, including racial minorities, still vote on economics more than anything else. Immigration reform was likely a higher priority issue for Hispanics than other groups, but certainly not the only one under consideration. Given how all these groups voted, clearly the Democrats are doing something rigth by them. And it's not free handouts or whatever other ridiculous notion you guys have. Asians are some of the most intelligent, hard-working people out there, with some of the lowest rates of government dependency, lower than whites. Why are they voting Democratic if there aren't bigger issues at play... and bigger problems with the Republican message?
of course, it is free handouts.

IT IS THE FSA ARMY VOTING, and don't let anybody tell you differently.

i doubt if the successful asians are voting against their own interests, regarless of media spin-"oh, it's all of us vs the white guys/girls".

right.

i don't for a minute believe that asians are voting to empower the FSA. they are generally more educated, more successful, and more economically aware.
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Old 11-11-2012, 09:31 AM
 
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In this election, since the voter turn out was considerably lower than in 2008 -- Obama lost about 10 million votes, Romney lost about 3 million votes from McCain's number.

It's also about who sat this one out.
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Old 11-11-2012, 10:31 AM
 
Location: west mich
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Why would you make such statements? *Brown people don't scare us. What does scare us is our borders being so porous that we have millions of illegal immigrants in our country taking jobs and resources they have no right to. Not to mention the criminal element and would be terrorists that are probably slipping through. Skin color has nothing to do with it.

Why are you so afraid of white Americans and *why would you claim that the GOP is only consisted of the white, elderly? Honestly, this contempt and racism towards whites is just stunning. I guess the *Republican party stands for traditional white America, it's values, culture, heritage, history--everything to be despised? It is truly a remarkable display of racism. The amazing thing is that while talking about white Americans in this manner one in turn insinuates or outright accuses white Republicans of being racist! Hypocricy, much?

So what if Republicans are made up of primarily white voters? Why is that intrinsically evil? These same white *Republican haters don't accuse the Democrat Party of being racist because a high percentage of minorities, including Black Panthers and ethnocentric La Razas (the race), call themselves members of that party. The double standards and hypocrisy is stunning.
* Oh yes, like I said previously repubs have embraced racists into their party in a desperate exchange for votes. They need these votes because there aren't enough wealthy to elect them.
* The GOP consists of both old whites yearning for the 1950s and newer corporate fascists (who have the money). You are being suckered by the bankrolling Wall Street billionaires.
* You are out of touch it seems. The party today stands for the 1%, not traditional America - but they still want your vote - and got it.
* The Democratic Party does not embrace racists, so they went elsewhere, some calling themselves the Tea Party "Patriots".

Here's what you may not understand. The "hatred" of the repub party is based on its takeover by Wall Street, and not because of its traditional values, which it has lost over the last couple of decades. A vote for republicans is now a vote for Wall Street billionaire control of government. That's it!
The Democrats are for a return to a government not dominated by big money (unless you think this is "traditional American").
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Old 11-11-2012, 10:32 AM
 
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So you want me to answer your loaded questions honestly?

The fact is that they want immigration reform. Most people do, Hispanic or otherwise. Not all Hispanics support amnesty, but there are different versions of what people think is amnesty to begin with. I don't think most people support citizenship without consequence, aside from maybe those kids brought to the US through no fault of their own. I think requirements should be learning English, paying a fine, taking a civics class, staying out of criminal trouble, etc.
Most Americans don't think the requirements for American citizenship should be a GED in Spanish. Most hispanic leaders disagree. Hence the problem. If pressed most hispanic leaders are perfectly happy to include gang bangers, muggers, murders and rapists on the grounds that we don't deport citizen criminals so why should we deport foreign criminals?

Most Americans also don't think that foreigners should be allowed to ignore our immigration laws, drop their brats into our public schools, have the education of their children paid for by Americans and have the brat declared an American citizen at 18 who can sponsor his criminal parents for citizenship. Most hispanic leaders disagree.

In short most Americans do not want millions of unskilled, badly educated hispanic foreigners given the right to stay here and collect our tax dollars in the middle of a recession. Hispanic leaders want them here solely because they are hispanic. They do not care if Americans suffer just as long as they can bring more hispanics.

Again hence the problem if you're not hispanic.
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