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Old 11-19-2014, 11:53 AM
 
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They throw a dent in anyone's theories. You didn't bother to read the same research by William Labov, from the UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA that states that Philly's dialect is in fact, Southern influenced.

But no, you'll go on pretending that Philly is a mini-New York, and Baltimore is a mini-Philly, so vicariously Baltimore MUST be a mini-New York.

Dialects PROVE that Baltimore is Southern, not the other way around.
No they prove Baltimore is Southern influenced. Go on pretending that map groups Baltimore in the Southern region. It doesn't. You're a broken record. Baltimore does not have a full blown Southern accent like you imagine it does.
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Old 11-19-2014, 12:00 PM
 
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Baltimore is New York's Ronald Weasley of the East Coast in my humble opinion. -Slightly off kiltered and centered, extremely SILLY, but, fun-loving who can be serious and dangerous at times, but still lovable because he's quirky, odd, comes from a big family and has red hair. Lol!
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Old 11-19-2014, 12:03 PM
 
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I don't think it's full blown, there are southern inflections in Baltimore, especially with its Black population.

You can even hear the disparities between Blacks from Baltimore City vs. Baltimore County.




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No they prove Baltimore is Southern influenced. Go on pretending that map groups Baltimore in tYhe Southern region. It doesn't. You're a broken record. Baltimore does not have a full blown Southern accent like you imagine it does.
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Old 11-19-2014, 12:04 PM
 
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Baltimore's accent is not Northeastern, you've got it backwards. It's Philly's accent that has a bit of Southern in it that causes it to sound like Baltimore, not the other way around.
That's true.

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Some dialects can be transcribed onto the page, but the Philadelphia accent really has to be heard to be believed. And when an accent goes silent, so do its speakers. A recent study out of the University of Pennsylvania reported that, like many regional phenomena, the Philly sound is conforming more and more with the mainstream of Northern accents. And thatís a shame. The beauty of the Philly accent, and I should point out itís mostly to whites that these sweeping statements apply, is its mashing-up of the Northern and Southern. Nowhere but in the Delaware Valley can you hear those rounded vowels ó soda is sewda, house is hay-ouse ó a clear influence from Baltimore and points south.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/02/op...-out.html?_r=0
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Old 11-19-2014, 12:07 PM
 
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Yes, Baltimore was actually very good at that, which is why it has the large amounts of diversity that it does compared to other cities in the South. True.



Also true.



On this point, would that be strictly a NY thing?

No, not at all.
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Old 11-19-2014, 01:27 PM
 
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No they prove Baltimore is Southern influenced.
How would a city that is in the South have merely Southern influences??? Even if Baltimore left the South, its history of a Southern city would mean that it doesn't have Southern influences, but that its language is indeed Southern. It's like saying Chicago has Midwest influences.

Either way, what does your comment have to do with Philly? Even if Bmore is Southern influenced, it sure doesn't mean that it's Northeast influenced.

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Go on pretending that map groups Baltimore in the Southern region. It doesn't. You're a broken record. Baltimore does not have a full blown Southern accent like you imagine it does.
Why should it be Northeastern? The circle is around both MD and PA. And that circles put DC and Bmore in the same area with Philly, thus 2>1.

That circle isn't around New York, bud. You can maybe make a case for it being a unique region, but to put it in the Northeast is just wishful thinking. Again, go on pretending that the same University of Pennsylvania people didn't say that Philly sounds Southern.
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Old 11-19-2014, 01:28 PM
 
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I don't think it's full blown, there are southern inflections in Baltimore, especially with its Black population.

You can even hear the disparities between Blacks from Baltimore City vs. Baltimore County.
The Southern influence is DEFINITELY in the White population. Listen to the vowels of White Baltimoreans and tell me those are Northern.
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Old 11-19-2014, 01:39 PM
 
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Early linguistic studies did place Baltimore in the southern dialect region.

http://www.csiss.org/classics/upload...lustration.gif

http://www.evolpub.com/Americandialects/AmDialMap.gif

But the southern accent is now in retreat.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...EnglishMap.jpg
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Old 11-19-2014, 02:39 PM
 
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How would a city that is in the South have merely Southern influences??? Even if Baltimore left the South, its history of a Southern city would mean that it doesn't have Southern influences, but that its language is indeed Southern. It's like saying Chicago has Midwest influences.

Either way, what does your comment have to do with Philly? Even if Bmore is Southern influenced, it sure doesn't mean that it's Northeast influenced.



Why should it be Northeastern? The circle is around both MD and PA. And that circles put DC and Bmore in the same area with Philly, thus 2>1.

That circle isn't around New York, bud. You can maybe make a case for it being a unique region, but to put it in the Northeast is just wishful thinking. Again, go on pretending that the same University of Pennsylvania people didn't say that Philly sounds Southern.
Don't call me bud we aren't friends. Second off quit using that Mason-Dixon Line to say Baltimore is in the South because that is the only thing proving it is southern from a modern standpoint . Baltimore is historically a part of the South. So is St. Louis but that city clearly is not Southern anymore unless you're an idiot. Neither is Baltimore. That circle tells us Baltimore lies outside of the Southern accent zone. It is Southern influenced. If Baltimore is Southern so is Philadelphia. It's pathetic how badly you want Baltimore to be Southern. I suggest you quit bothering me because you aren't winning and I'm not changing my view. Go away.
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Old 11-19-2014, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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If Baltimore is Southern so is Philadelphia.
Why is that?
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