10-02-2015, 08:36 AM
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The crazy thing is that the location of the gun shop in McLean have been a non-issue 20 or more years ago. Back when gun restrictions were lighter and non-drug related gun violence was much lower. I am thinking there has been a culture shift that promotes extremism instead of people trying to find a middle ground and work things out civilly. We as a society tend to get into an uproar over issues and instead of trying to find a good solution that is amicable for everybody. Maybe we are missing the key issue of we need to get our collective panties out of a knot and calm down. If the area is upset over the location, let them fix the situation with their local government. Freaking out does nothing but rile up more people. As I stated before, I don't see a problem with the location but I don't live there. The true question is what is the local government going to do to address this situation? The voice of the people affected needs to be heard, not the outcry of people on their moral high horses on one side or the other.
10-02-2015, 10:28 AM
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roninsedge
The crazy thing is that the location of the gun shop in McLean have been a non-issue 20 or more years ago.
This is the main reason I didn't sign the petition, though I disagree with having the store near a school. I don't like that it is worded as "Keep NOVA Firearms out of McLean" when they have already been in McLean for however many years.
My issue is strictly with the location, and those opposed to it should focus solely on that, not whether the store is in town at all. Those on the other side of the aisle really need to tone down the constitution and second amendment B.S., an argument over the location of the store has zero to do with the second amendment.
10-02-2015, 12:19 PM
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Forehead
This is the main reason I didn't sign the petition, though I disagree with having the store near a school. I don't like that it is worded as "Keep NOVA Firearms out of McLean" when they have already been in McLean for however many years.
It is understandable that at this point in time, after NOVA Firearms has pissed off the surrounding community by relocating to a contentious location, that some would like to see them gone completely.
10-02-2015, 04:17 PM
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This is the main reason I didn't sign the petition, though I disagree with having the store near a school. I don't like that it is worded as "Keep NOVA Firearms out of McLean" when they have already been in McLean for however many years.
The petition was relabeled as "Keep NOVA Firearms Out of Franklin Sherman's Backyard." I assume that's what will be presented to Gov. McAuliffe when the petition organizers decide to tally up and forward the signatures.
10-06-2015, 01:43 PM
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Stop waving the Constitution around. This isn't about the Constitution. This is about the specific location of a gun store.
Says the guy who compared gun shoppers to pedophiles.
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I'm trying to figure this "on-line" gun buying out as an owner of multiple firearms.
True--but I believe that on Armslist, you can buy from a private person with no background check if it's for local pickup. I think this should change as one of several needed reforms to the background-check system.
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You are correct that there are holes in the NICS process as it relates to mental illness. What is a reasonable fix?
The fix won't be easy, but I think it has to entail one standard, national system that pulls certain mental-health info automatically whenever someone is diagnosed with a severe condition known to make people more violent--instead of leaving it up to localities. In addition, there have to be exceptions and time limits; e.g., a guy who has severe PTSD with violent outbursts might not be able to buy a gun within a year of diagnosis. But after some period of effective treatment in which the violent outbursts are documented to have disappeared, his doctor could update the system to note that the patient has received treatment and is no longer a risk.
It will be a balancing act in that we absolutely don't want to discourage people with problems from seeking help, which would happen if the system were to make it so that having been diagnosed with a common, treatable condition like depression, anxiety, or ADD means you'll never get to buy a gun. It should only be for severe conditions that are documented to be associated with violence--e.g., schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, etc.
But this still means we have to get people with symptoms in for treatment. Some of these mass shooters never saw anyone about their mental health. And mental-health screening and publicly subsidized treatment is a whole other area of needed reform.
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10-06-2015, 02:57 PM
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Says the guy who compared gun shoppers to pedophiles.
Yes, this "guy" saw a day care center forcibly shut down and an individual removed from my neighborhood a few years ago due to some various infractions, all for the safety of a very small handful of children. Unfortunately for said individual, none of his infractions included guns or gun ownership, else he would have been in the clear. The righteous hammer of justice and reason seemed to be working very swiftly during that time!
10-06-2015, 04:07 PM
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TheWatchmen
Yes, this "guy" saw a day care center forcibly shut down and an individual removed from my neighborhood a few years ago due to some various infractions, all for the safety of a very small handful of children. Unfortunately for said individual, none of his infractions included guns or gun ownership, else he would have been in the clear. The righteous hammer of justice and reason seemed to be working very swiftly during that time!
Same thing happens at daycares when workers are found to abusing the children... They are forcibly removed from the daycare and quick. So reasons why workers are fired is numerous. Unfortunately abuse ( without guns) at daycare is more common than daycare workers removed for various infractions.
10-06-2015, 04:21 PM
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other hazards near Franklin Sherman
This is unbelievable... There is a liquor store less than two blocks from this elementary school.
Chain Bridge Cellars
Looking at the distance, in yards not miles, there must be hundreds of kids that walk by this "business" every day. With a drug free zone stretching to 1,000 yards, how did this business get permission to open its doors? The overt advertising on the premises leave little doubt the type of business products that they sell.
10-07-2015, 01:52 AM
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Oh the horror.
10-07-2015, 10:45 AM
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Oh the horror.
So this is snark about the wine merchant in a nearby strip mall? Because there has indeed been considerable, even recent, horror associated with guns + schools, some of which unfolded after this thread began.
Perhaps you'd turn out to be the hero with a gun taking out the other fellow with a gun, in a dangerous situation, but some folks would just as soon not need to call upon your services in the first place. There is also concern that having a gun store so close to a school will inevitably lead to lockdowns, whether necessary in hindsight or not.
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Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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