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View Poll Results: Should transgendered individuals be able to serve in United States of America's military?
Yes 101 52.33%
No 92 47.67%
Voters: 193. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-26-2017, 09:55 PM
 
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It has become quite obvious during the course of the day that this was basically done on a whim by Trump today to (1) deflect from his personal problems and (2) to make his minority base happy.

The Pentagon was not prepared in the least for it and the entire edict is surrounded by confusion.

Meanwhile, NK has made great progress in creating a missile to carry a nuclear warhead, multiple problems have erupted in the Mideast, the Russians are apparently arming the Taliban and there is an argument over sending troops to Afghanistan.

What does President Petty do? Announces a stupid edict targeted at many people who are serving the country. He is dragging the country down day by day. His obsessive need for attention is exhausting and the country's business is being driven by one huge fragile ego. Unbelievably pathetic that one idiot could do so much damage so quickly.
no, it is to stop the military from being a leftist social experiment
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:11 PM
 
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There are some very interesting comments following this article. The ones by the physician are quite informative and offer no opinion, just facts.

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As a retired triple board certified and fellowship trained former professor of medicine and a military medical officer I feel it’s necessary to move this conversation to medical and military facts and out of the realm of social issues.

Medical treatment for gender dysphoria requires a physician gender specialist to facilitate treatment and the use of treatments which include hormone therapy that may be injectable and as such not in the formulary of smaller military hospitals and certainly not on ships or forward deployed troops.
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:11 PM
 
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really? implementing policy via a tweet is presidential? I'm glad I'm in the cognitively impaired half of the forum because that is just bizarre.
Yeah, imagine that? Actually getting the story from the source instead of hearing it from the untruthful media
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:17 PM
 
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The military spends 84 million on erectile dysfunction drugs vs. 8.4 million for transgender healthcare. I'm sorry but I can't think of one reason to get freaked out about transgender people's healthcare when the cost is 10% of totally unnecessary treatment for erectile dysfunction.

"The implication is that even in the most extreme scenario that we were able to identify … we expect only a 0.13-percent ($8.4 million out of $6.2 billion) increase in health care spending,†Rand's authors concluded.
By contrast, total military spending on erectile dysfunction medicines amounts to $84 million annually, according to an analysis by the Military Times — 10 times the cost of annual transition-related medical care for active duty transgender servicemembers. The military spends $41.6 million annually on Viagra alone, according to the Military Times analysis — roughly five times the estimated spending on transition-related medical care for transgender troops."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.2f624cbedf5f
There's always an excuse. Throughout every big issue in american history fear of change (a.k.a. bigotry) has always been covered up by an excuse, most often a monetary one. "I'm not paying for that and you can't make me!" or "It would all cost too much! Let them fend for themselves!" In this particular case it's Let Them Fend For Themselves While They Protect My Hide. Same old you-know-what yet one more time.
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:24 PM
 
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There's always an excuse. Throughout every big issue in american history fear of change (a.k.a. bigotry) has always been covered up by an excuse, most often a monetary one. "I'm not paying for that and you can't make me!" or "It would all cost too much! Let them fend for themselves!" In this particular case it's Let Them Fend For Themselves While They Protect My Hide. Same old you-know-what yet one more time.
sorry, but your silly attempts to compare a mental illness to civil rights is not working.
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:25 PM
 
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no, it is to stop the military from being a leftist social experiment
One little problem with that, it's quite clear that it is unconstitutional so I'm guessing this will be another Trump loss in the Courts

"a wall-to-wall ban on transgender Americans in the armed forces could only be understood as rooted in what constitutional doctrine calls animus: that is, the bare dislike of a group of people. And as the Supreme Court has held in cases going back at least to the 1970s, animus is never a constitutionally valid reason for government action."
Why Trump’s Ban on Transgender Servicepeople Is Flatly Unconstitutional - POLITICO Magazine

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Old 07-26-2017, 10:35 PM
 
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There are thousands serving in the military now. Are they going to throw them all out?
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:40 PM
 
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What is discrimination? It is choosing based on criteria. It is OK to discriminate. In the case of keeping confused dysphoric people out of combat, it is the correct and rational choice. Discrimination can be very good in many cases. It has become a pejorative due to misuse. Rational discrimination should be encouraged and protected. In fact, it is a complement to describe some as "discriminating". He was a very discriminating buyer. Meaning: A careful and thoughtful and rational person giving consideration and judgment to what he is buying. We've gone overboard on the discrimination thing. We need to bring some of it back.


Which is exactly what Trump just did. And there is not another politician alive who would just come out and say the obvious truth. He is an idiot in many ways, but sometimes he isn't. But at least he's got the spheres to say what needs to be said, even in the face of SJW fire and brimstone.


And THAT is precisely why he won the election.
It's kinda going against the 2nd - -- but you made that assumption that they are dysphoric confused people because you are some great phycologist or mr T is???
This move he made is because hes peed off about the medical expenses of the trans deterring his f........... Wall budget!
Follow the money!!
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:58 PM
 
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I was a combat medic. Everyone bleeds red.

As long as you can shoulder and fire at the enemy- I wouldn't care 2 sheets about it.
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Old 07-26-2017, 10:58 PM
 
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One little problem with that, it's quite clear that it is unconstitutional so I'm guessing this will be another Trump loss in the Courts

"a wall-to-wall ban on transgender Americans in the armed forces could only be understood as rooted in what constitutional doctrine calls animus: that is, the bare dislike of a group of people. And as the Supreme Court has held in cases going back at least to the 1970s, animus is never a constitutionally valid reason for government action."
Why Trump’s Ban on Transgender Servicepeople Is Flatly Unconstitutional - POLITICO Magazine
Um, one little problem (for you), It is NOT unconstitutional. Show me where in the Constitution that it says the US armed forces is required to let anyone serve for any reason. You have no clue what you are talking about. Worry about your own ignorance instead of worrying about Trump and the courts.
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