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Old 08-25-2019, 07:15 PM
 
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And whoops, you just did it again. Reform Jews are NOT "less observant" simply because they observe in different ways. So yeah, you actually are kind of saying that Reform Jews are not Jews or at the very least, not good enough Jews.

And you are the one putting words in my mouth because not supporting Netanyahu doesn't mean I don't support Israel. I have relatives who have served in the IDF who don't support Netanyahu or Trump. Are you going to accuse them of not being Jewish enough too?

As for Trump's words, he certainly did invoke the trope that Jews are more loyal to Israel than to America. You may choose to be willfully ignorant of that but others don't choose to be.
OF course Reform Jews are less observant! But that is not "kind of saying" they're not Jewish. (Another lib who puts word in their opponent's mouth.) But they definitely are less religious. And the less religious a person is, the more likely he is to vote for the Dem.

And Trump never said Jews were more loyal to Israel than America! Just like the Charlottesville lie (credit to Travis for starting a thread on that), you are changing his words to make him appear antisemitic. First, he said "in my opinion, Jews who vote for the Dem are being disloyal to the Jewish people and to Israel," and second, plenty of Jews agree with him. They are appalled at what they see happening in the Democratic Party.
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Old 08-25-2019, 09:59 PM
 
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LOL, You just don't understand do you. Americans don't want your kind of government that's why we have Mr. President Donald Trump.
Your answer makes no sense. You asked the question "what makes you think the democrats will do it for you?"

I proceeded to provide you with a list of reasons why the republicans and Trump would not do the things the poster wanted.

Rather than refuting me, you essentially admitted that the poster was correct by stating to me that "Americans don't want your kind of government". I take that reply to mean that you agree that its all right to refuse chronically ill people health insurance and medical treatment. You agree that appointing someone hostile to the very concept of public education as Secretary of Education is acceptable. The same is true for my other points.

What you guys don't get is that both Trump and the republican agenda aren't popular. Its why your party lost seven governor races and forty seats in the House of Representatives in 2018.

The only reason Trump sits in the White House is because of 77,000 votes in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Take that away and Hillary would have been in the White House with a three million vote victory margin. That's done. However, 2020 will be no cake walk for that foul mouthed, bigot in the White House.
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Old 08-25-2019, 10:34 PM
 
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This Jew walked away from the demoncratic party years ago, and is still very happy with his choice


MAGA!
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Old 08-26-2019, 05:13 AM
 
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I'm not sure they're throwing the black vote under the bus. Some of them ARE talking about giving reparations (which is an obvious pander) as well as giving down-payments to buyers in (former) redlined districts to "even the gap between black and white".

But they are clearly throwing the Jewish vote under the bus in order not to offend Muslims. There was absolutely no legitimate reason for Pelosi not to issue a sharp condemnation of antisemitism via a resolution, and she watered it down so as not to offend Muslim supporters. They made a political calculation that it would be "risky" to stand up for Jews, and thus came up with some meaningless "all bigotry is bad," listing antisemitism pretty far down the list.
They are not throwing under the bus to protect muslims, they just hate jews.
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Old 08-26-2019, 05:34 AM
 
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They are not throwing under the bus to protect muslims, they just hate jews.
I agree with Rachel. To appease Muslims, the Democrat party, and many Democrats have become anti Jewish, and anti Israel. Many SECULAR Jews whom are rabidly Progressive, much more than they are "Jewish", are overly critical of Jews and Israel.
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Old 08-26-2019, 05:50 AM
 
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Trump's supporters like to attack Synagogue's. We have all seen it. We all know the truth.

There are numerous incidents like this happening by non trump supporters








Https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sOIpYndMGJ4
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Old 08-26-2019, 05:54 AM
 
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I agree with Rachel. To appease Muslims, the Democrat party, and many Democrats have become anti Jewish, and anti Israel. Many SECULAR Jews whom are rabidly Progressive, much more than they are "Jewish", are overly critical of Jews and Israel.
Thank you, PIlot.

And what it makes it even more infuriating is that Democrats venomously attack Jews (primarily the more observant) who refuse to side with the HAMAS-led Palestinians. They are so hateful toward Jews who support Israel that they will come out of the woodwork to call them all sorts of horrific names and accuse them of things that are entirely untrue. (Perhaps you noticed on another thread, totally unrelated to Israel, that a leftist came out of the blue, swinging, calling me out as a "killing Zionist.")
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Old 08-26-2019, 06:01 AM
 
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And another thing.....the Dems are furious with the statement that they are disloyal to the Jewish people if they vote for the party that puts antisemties on critical House committees dealing with Israel.

What do these Dems think we conservative Jews have been dealing with for the past three years? i've been called a "bad Jew," told "real Jews don't vote for Republicans," a "Hitler-child who supports Nazi Israel," and all sorts of venomous things. And why? Because I'm not voting for the Democrat.

Now the shoe is on the other foot.

P.S. it is especially disgusting when a non-observant Jew calls an observant Jew a "bad Jew." They do that because they know that a Jew who keeps kosher, goes to services on Shabbat, takes Torah classes, etc., feels very strongly about Judaism - and it's a LOW BLOW.
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Old 08-26-2019, 06:03 AM
 
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If your real-Jews comment was directed at me, you misrepresented it. Here's what I said, "Real Jews value Tsedaka and the concept of caring for those in need, which is the antithesis of the Republican party, the party of hypocrites." Am I wrong about that?

Which party is trying to cut social services?
Which party is fighting mightily against helping refugees from Central America?
Which party is against LGBT/trans people?
Which party is against public schools?
Which party is against women's rights?

Answer: REPUBLICANS.

Your ancestors were most likely in desperate need when they immigrated to the US. And now that you're here, you want to burn the bridge so others cannot follow. Where is the Tsedaka in that?
Giving money to a church is more in line with the Torah than supporting lgbt and abortion on demand
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Old 08-26-2019, 06:28 AM
 
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I don't think you understand the situation.

Most "conservative" Jew talk show hosts are simply entertainers...doing it for the money. This is the era where you can fake that you are one thing or another and make millions doing it.

The people you mention have zero to do with being Jewish and everything to do with being actors.

No shift is underway. From the start of time people have been paid to put forward certain opinions. As one guy said to Tucker (and he refused to air it)..."Y'all are Millionaires being paid by Billionaires to say what they want you to".

As far as "liberals first"...again, you don't get it. Our training means one must be a "liberal", just as a Jesuit Priest must help the poor and others. You could say the same thing about Quakers "Liberals and Pacifists first and Christians second"........but that would be just as crazy.

One thing informs the others.

"Tikkun olam ” (Hebrew for “world repair”) has come to connote social action and the pursuit of social justice. The phrase has origins in classical rabbinic literature and in Lurianic kabbalah, a major strand of Jewish mysticism originating with the work of the 16th-century kabbalist Isaac Luria."
Tikkun Islam appears in the mishina, and certainly had NOTHING to do with progressivism.
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