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Old 06-02-2014, 06:58 AM
 
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Originally Posted by the_contrary View Post
We've been together for so long and have done so much, why wouldn't he be ready?
i don't know what's going on in your boyfriend's head, but i do i know plenty of guys like this.

i'd go out on a limb and say that he probably doesn't see how marriage would benefit him.

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Originally Posted by hawaiiancoconut View Post
He's not sure you're the one he wants to spend the rest of his life with.
or: it may be that he doesn't see any benefits in engaging in a legally binding agreement.

one of the interesting assumptions i see in this thread is: "if he doesn't sign a legally binding agreement with you, then he doesn't love you." i'm not saying that's incorrect, i just think it's kind of interesting how we are all expected to equate "unmarried" with "unloved".

to me, and i think to a lot of men, "marriage" is kind of the antithesis of "love". Consider that marriage involves:

a. living up to social expectations
b. showing off with big parties
c. materialism (a diamond, for example.)
d. legally binding contractual agreements

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Old 06-02-2014, 07:03 AM
 
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You have absolutely no basis to say this, but that's never stopped you before, so I'm not sure why I'm surprised.
How would you know? You're supposedly a new member.
 
Old 06-02-2014, 07:05 AM
 
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Marriage isn't essential for kids. A stable relationship of some sort certainly helps provide a better environment for kids, but kids don't really care whether their parents signed a contract registering them with the state and/or had an expensive party.
Kids need the legal protections, and some solid sign the dad won't walk at the slightest whim.
 
Old 06-02-2014, 07:07 AM
 
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Maybe OP just doesn't luuuurve her BF enough to respect his wishes.
He only told her about his wish not to get married very recently. He led her to believe he was into marriage, before.
 
Old 06-02-2014, 07:23 AM
 
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i don't know what's going on in your boyfriend's head, but i do i know plenty of guys like this.

i'd go out on a limb and say that he probably doesn't see how marriage would benefit him.
I'd take it a step further, he probably sees that marriage CAN'T benefit him, it can only be a risk and a detriment for a man.

All of the women who are tired of seeing this situation play out should be petitioning their local, state and federal legislators to make changes to the confiscatory and putative "family" (lol) court system in this country.
 
Old 06-02-2014, 07:24 AM
 
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How would you know? You're supposedly a new member.
Don't have to be here long to see the pattern.

So you admit that your statement was 100% conjecture, then? With absolutely nothing to back it up.
 
Old 06-02-2014, 07:26 AM
 
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He only told her about his wish not to get married very recently. He led her to believe he was into marriage, before.
It's a woman's prerogative to change her mind...why don't men get the same option?

And by the way, he has never said flat out that he doesn't wish to be married. He said he's not ready. Again with the baseless extrapolation.
 
Old 06-02-2014, 07:31 AM
 
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a. living up to social expectations
b. showing off with big parties
c. materialism (a diamond, for example.)
d. legally binding contractual agreements
A and D only.

My wife and I have never done any "big parties," and certainly a lot of living-together couples do.
I didn't buy her a diamond ring until our 20th anniversary (which was 11 years ago)

But, yeah, announcing marriage does bring some social expectations, like fidelity and commitment.
And it does involve legally binding contractural agreements, requiring fidelity and commitment.

Not things that frighten real men who are truly in love.
 
Old 06-02-2014, 07:33 AM
 
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It's a woman's prerogative to change her mind...why don't men get the same option?

And by the way, he has never said flat out that he doesn't wish to be married. He said he's not ready. Again with the baseless extrapolation.
Seven years that he was purportedly getting ready based on set material goals. They've reached the material goals they had set and he's still "not ready." All but one of their friends have gotten married, so it's not as though it was out of sight. He's in his thirties, "a grown-ass man."

Nothing baseless about an extrapolation of "he doesn't want to get married."
 
Old 06-02-2014, 07:34 AM
 
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A and D only.

My wife and I have never done any "big parties," and certainly a lot of living-together couples do.
I didn't buy her a diamond ring until our 20th anniversary (which was 11 years ago)

But, yeah, announcing marriage does bring some social expectations, like fidelity and commitment.
And it does involve legally binding contractural agreements, requiring fidelity and commitment.

Not things that frighten real men who are truly in love.
Hear that, guys? "Man up" and marry those girls! You're not a "real man" if you can't be properly shamed into marriage.

Good lord I'm glad this is an institution that is dying.

If current trends continue, the marriage rate will hit near zero around 2050.
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