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Old 08-28-2017, 04:22 AM
 
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Great episode, too many high points to mention. Especially since Daenerys got the 6 or 7 inches of snow she's wanted for a couple episodes.
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Old 08-28-2017, 05:01 AM
 
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One of the best things about this show is the female roles!
I grew up when there were no female roles that showed interesting women doing powerful, intelligent, and heroic things in the world.
the world is finally understanding how strong woman can really be. LOL
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Old 08-28-2017, 06:33 AM
 
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What would happen if the Night King was successful and killed everyone in Westeros? Then what? The Night King rules this big island populated entirely by unthinking zombies...for what purpose? What is the Night King's goal? His motivation? It isn't as though the dead are going to do anything once everyone is dead.
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Old 08-28-2017, 06:40 AM
 
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He explained it to Sansa, albeit leaving out the part about how it advances him. Arya is an obstacle to Sansa supplanting Jon as Queen in the North, which is what Littlefinger was grooming her to do. It's been clear for several seasons now that a major part of Littlefinger's plan was to put Sansa in power over a big chunk of Westeros one way or another as last Stark standing. Presumably he intended to marry her eventually.

Getting from there to the Iron Throne is trickier and it's just conjecture now. Just as a scenario: I could see, for example, them suing for peace with the South, and consolidating that peace by marrying Sansa off with whomever's the most eligible bachelor out of whatever team controlled King's Landing by then. She gets knocked up such that her kid's in line for the Iron Throne, they assassinate or otherwise get rid of whoever's left in the way, Sansa pulls a Cersei and becomes Queen Regent for her kid who'll inherit both north and south, Littlefinger marries her and becomes co-regent, Bob's your uncle.
Well, that would be my complaint....that it is conjecture. Rather than cluing in the audience as to Littlefinger's larger scheme, they left us having to guess at it. The consequence was that for the last couple of seasons, Littlefinger hasn't seemed like a real player in the game any longer, just some love sick puppy following Sansa around.

He was with Sansa at Winterfell for some time before Arya showed up, and he didn't know that she was coming until she arrived...what was his plan before that?
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Old 08-28-2017, 06:45 AM
 
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He <LittleFinger> was with Sansa at Winterfell for some time before Arya showed up, and he didn't know that she was coming until she arrived...what was his plan before that?
Remember his motto - Chaos is a ladder. I don't think he actually ever had a plan, he just kept stirring things up and pushing people into fighting each other while he stood on the side lines.
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Old 08-28-2017, 06:45 AM
 
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My favorite scene is when Brienne and The Hound are talking about Arya and Brienne says "The only person who needs protection is the one who gets in her way."

After she said that, they both had the look of two proud parents on their faces.
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Old 08-28-2017, 06:57 AM
 
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So...let me get this straight...

Jon Snow goes south to seek help fighting the Night King and the Army of the Dead, who are stuck north of the Wall. He returns to capture one of the undead to prove to everyone that the undead do exist, manages to get himself stuck on an island surrounded by the Army of the Undead, and sends for help, which shows up in the form of three dragons.

The Night King kills the dragon Viseryon with an ice javelin, then has his dead minions use immense chains that miraculously just happen to be on hand, and reanimates said dragon. The Night King then marches his army to the Wall and uses undead Viseryon the Ice Dragon and his blue flame of death to make a humongous hole in the previously unbreachable Wall.

If Jon doesn't start the chain of events, and instead stays in Winterfell as the King of the North and with Northerners and the Free Folk manning the Wall, the Night King and his army are stuck on the north side of the Wall and all of the living in Westeros are in no danger from the dead.
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Old 08-28-2017, 06:59 AM
 
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What would happen if the Night King was successful and killed everyone in Westeros? Then what? The Night King rules this big island populated entirely by unthinking zombies...for what purpose? What is the Night King's goal? His motivation? It isn't as though the dead are going to do anything once everyone is dead.
I think a great final scene for the series would be the Night King sitting on the Iron Throne after killing Cersei and the Mountain like Vin Diesel sitting on the Necromancer throne at the end of Chronicles of Riddick after killing the Lord Marshall because "you keep what you kill". Of course that will never happen but it would be pretty cool. Very few redeeming human characters on that show worthy of being King or Queen of Westeros. Sure there's Jon Snow but now he's shagging his aunt.
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Old 08-28-2017, 07:01 AM
 
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So...let me get this straight...

Jon Snow goes south to seek help fighting the Night King and the Army of the Dead, who are stuck north of the Wall. He returns to capture one of the undead to prove to everyone that the undead do exist, manages to get himself stuck on an island surrounded by the Army of the Undead, and sends for help, which shows up in the form of three dragons.

The Night King kills the dragon Viseryon with an ice javelin, then has his dead minions use immense chains that miraculously just happen to be on hand, and reanimates said dragon. The Night King then marches his army to the Wall and uses undead Viseryon the Ice Dragon and his blue flame of death to make a humongous hole in the previously unbreachable Wall.

If Jon doesn't start the chain of events, and instead stays in Winterfell as the King of the North and with Northerners and the Free Folk manning the Wall, the Night King and his army are stuck on the north side of the Wall and all of the living in Westeros are in no danger from the dead.
I was thinking the same thing.

Theoretically yes. But there is an end point of this show. Dragon or no dragon, they were going to get themselves south of the wall.
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Old 08-28-2017, 07:21 AM
 
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I think a great final scene for the series would be the Night King sitting on the Iron Throne after killing Cersei and the Mountain like Vin Diesel sitting on the Necromancer throne at the end of Chronicles of Riddick after killing the Lord Marshall because "you keep what you kill". Of course that will never happen but it would be pretty cool. Very few redeeming human characters on that show worthy of being King or Queen of Westeros. Sure there's Jon Snow but now he's shagging his aunt.

Thinking the same thing. Maybe the reason GRR Martin is taking so long to finish the series is that he painted/wrote himself into a corner and there can be no good outcome, it has become a 'what does it matter' thing. The characters are so we'll drawn but they have nowhere to go.
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