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And according to you, none of us believe the right things.
The "precepts and doctrines of men" that appeal to you and bring you to God are the correct ones FOR YOU! The key is bringing you to God and fostering a love of God and each other that matters to God. Those of you who focus on the love of God and leave out the love of each other part will be dealt with appropriately as will those who love neither, IMO. What YOU need to believe to bring YOU to do both is what matters to God, and since there IS only ONE God, it hardly matters what WE think.
The "precepts and doctrines of men" that appeal to you and bring you to God are the correct ones FOR YOU! The key is bringing you to God and fostering a love of God and each other that matters to God. Those of you who focus on the love of God and leave out the love of each other part will be dealt with appropriately as will those who love neither, IMO. What YOU need to believe to bring YOU to do both is what matters to God, and since there IS only ONE God, it hardly matters what WE think.
And according to you, none of us believe the right things.
There is a difference between thinking someone has it wrong and thinking someone has it so wrong they should be tortured for eternity. I might think you have it wrong but I don't believe you should be punished for that even if I believed it possible.
There is a difference between thinking someone has it wrong and thinking someone has it so wrong they should be tortured for eternity. I might think you have it wrong but I don't believe you should be punished for that even if I believed it possible.
When have I ever said that people go to hell for being wrong?
When have I ever said that people go to hell for being wrong?
I thought that was your belief system, my mistake.
So what do you think would be the appropriate consequence for not believing the right things? Even as a little JW kid I couldn't understand why those people thought they had something special that they should be given everlasting life while people who didn't believe the same things should be murdered *at Armaggedon. It's unimaginable to me that there is that much difference.
*they say "everlasting destruction" but I've changed it to murdered because things are destroyed, people are murdered.
I thought that was your belief system, my mistake.
So what do you think would be the appropriate consequence for not believing the right things? Even as a little JW kid I couldn't understand why those people thought they had something special that they should be given everlasting life while people who didn't believe the same things should be murdered *at Armaggedon. It's unimaginable to me that there is that much difference.
*they say "everlasting destruction" but I've changed it to murdered because things are destroyed, people are murdered.
All of us deserve punishment for our sin in eternal hell.
God, being rich in mercy, elects some to salvation, regenerating and granting them faith. So no one goes to hell for not believing. People go to hell because they're sinners.
All of us deserve punishment for our sin in eternal hell.
God, being rich in mercy, elects some to salvation, regenerating and granting them faith. So no one goes to hell for not believing. People go to hell because they're sinners.
According to the doctrine we are born that way. So to say we deserve punishment for being exactly what He created us to seems weird. He could have easily just made us born sinless. He is responsible for all of that not us. Shouldn't everyone go to hell if they are sinners? Why does believing the right things get you off the hook?
Oh, I get it. You have such a low opinion of God's creation that the default is we deserve pain, sorrow, death and never-ending torture and it's actually out of God's goodness that He chooses to spare even a few. That doesn't sound good to me. We wouldn't even let another human being get away with that. If you stood there and watched while a child was being beaten and did nothing I'd think you a dick. You can get away with saying that God doesn't interfere with the world but the afterlife? All those children murdered in the holocaust and God lets them slip into hell?
Oh, I get it. You have such a low opinion of God's creation that the default is we deserve pain, sorrow, death and never-ending torture and it's actually out of God's goodness that He chooses to spare even a few.
God created the human race as pure and sinless. Why would you think that God made us sinners?
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