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Hannibal Flavius, I believe that at one point you tried to peg me as the lawless one and then at another point you complained that I am the most legalistic person that you have ever seen.
Now, which one is it?
You have rejected the laws of God and instituted your own laws of sin, to your own laws, you are a legalistic.
You make up your mind what sin is, if somebody is doing something that you consider sin, they going to hell by your law.
Could you explain, please, how you know He did, especially since you are one who wouldn't believe a feeling? What happened so that you knew you'd been chosen?
Let's go with what the Bible says...
1 Thess 1:4-5:
4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God. 5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.
Rom 8:16:
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
1 John 4:13:
Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
Eph 1:13-14:
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
2 Cor 1:21-22:
21 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; 22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
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Originally Posted by Katzpur
Yes, we absolutely do, but that doesn't mean you're a believer and I'm not. You believe Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior and the author of your salvation. So do I. Why can't you accept that, despite our differences, we also have some very significant things in common?
Mormonism denies eternal security, which means one critical aspect of what is taught in the preceding verses is denied. Jesus taught that anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit does not have forgiveness.
Mark 3:28-29:
28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
Those who blaspheme (or "speak against" Matt 12:32) the Holy Spirit fall into one, or both, of the following categories: one, those who deny eternal security, and thus deny the doctrine of Christ and the testimony of the Spirit; or, two, those who deny the sealing of the Spirit.
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Originally Posted by Brightfame52
Election is a blessing because it causes men to come to Christ. Ps 65:4
Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.
Approaching God here, drawing near to Him is the effect of election. The elect are those given to Christ by the Father, and the result of that is they shall come to Christ Jn 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.The word for come here heko means
to come to one, i.e. to seek an intimacy with one, become his follower:
In other words it will result in the comers following Christ. Jn 10:27
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Lovely verses.
John 10:27-29:
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
John 11:25: 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
I am not my own. I am owned. I am a slave (doulos) of God. And, as the Lord's bondman, who is not free (1 Cor 7:22), I am sealed. Song 4:12: "A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed."
Hanni, what has the Law to do with the believer in Christ being that Christ has fulfilled the Law?
I suppose you are another one of those perfect Law keepers who doesn't need the Christ!
You are able to create your own righteousness in that perfect Law keeping, is that the deal, Hanni?
You are quoting scripture written to converts of Judaism, those scriptures completely confined within Judaism.
You are standing outside of Judaism looking in, and you are trying to fit your religion in it.
That's why you have so many contradictions, everything that was said was said in the understanding that converts were in Judaism.
The law is spiritual, nobody wants you to follow Jewish culture like not eating bacon.
Your perspective of the law isnt spiritual at all, all you se s bondage because you can only see the flesh of the law and not the spirit. The law is a hidden love love, a ketubah, but you dont see that, it is a marriage contract.
Is unclean animals about animals?
No
You are quoting a man in Judaism pretending as if he is instructing you not to join his religion.
You are quoting scripture written to converts of Judaism, those scriptures completely confined within Judaism.
You are standing outside of Judaism looking in, and you are trying to fit your religion in it.
That's why you have so many contradictions, everything that was said was said in the understanding that converts were in Judaism.
The law is spiritual, nobody wants you to follow Jewish culture like not eating bacon.
Your perspective of the law isnt spiritual at all, all you se s bondage because you can only see the flesh of the law and not the spirit. The law is a hidden love love, a ketubah, but you dont see that, it is a marriage contract.
Is unclean animals about animals?
No
You are quoting a man in Judaism pretending as if he is instructing you not to join his religion.
Tell me something that I don't know, Hanni! Do you consider yourself justified before God?
If so, how is it that you are justified in His sight?
Balderdash! Get over yourself. There is nothing special about you and you have not been chosen over anyone else! God became human as Jesus to bring His Holy Spirit to His human consciousness because none of us have the ability to achieve anything close to it in our human consciousnesses. Jesus perfected His human consciousness to equal God's Holy Spirit connecting all human consciousness to God permanently. That is how He is the only Way to God, not because of anything we do or believe about Him. He is the ONLY human consciousness connected directly to God.
His perfected human consciousness was "born again" as Spirit upon His death making the Comforter (Holy Spirit) available to us all within our human consciousnesses to guide us to the Truth God has "written in our hearts" It is the Grace of His perfected human consciousness that provides the cover for our imperfections and there are no conditions placed on it. It automatically applies to us all.
Balderdash! Get over yourself. There is nothing special about you and you have not been chosen over anyone else! God became human as Jesus to bring His Holy Spirit to His human consciousness because none of us have the ability to achieve anything close to it in our human consciousnesses. Jesus perfected His human consciousness to equal God's Holy Spirit connecting all human consciousness to God permanently. That is how He is the only Way to God, not because of anything we do or believe about Him. He is the ONLY human consciousness connected directly to God.
His perfected human consciousness was "born again" as Spirit upon His death making the Comforter (Holy Spirit) available to us all within our human consciousnesses to guide us to the Truth God has "written in our hearts" It is the Grace of His perfected human consciousness that provides the cover for our imperfections and there are no conditions placed on it. It automatically applies to us all.
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Originally Posted by Brightfame52
Do you understand the post ?
I understand it but you do not seem to. You think there is something special about you because of what you believe about Jesus which is utter nonsense. Everyone who loves is "conceived by God" and "knows" God and Jesus, period. There are no other conditions to meet. The more you love the closer you are to God and Jesus. The less you love the farther from them you are.
Everything else you have been taught is human vanity and hubris writ large! God IS agape love. It is not just one of His attributes! If you want to be close to God try to be in the following states of mind as often as possible:
The Holy Spirit IS the True Nature of God revealed, described, and demonstrated unambiguously by Jesus. He IS agape love, kindness, mercy, compassion, gentleness, unconditional acceptance, empathy, sympathy, tolerance, long-suffering, decency, friendliness, peacefulness, joyfulness, understanding, care, concern, solicitude, solicitousness, sensitivity, tender-heartedness, soft-heartedness, warm-heartedness, warmth, love, brotherly love, tenderness, gentleness, mercifulness, leniency, lenience, consideration, kindness, humanity, humaneness, kind-heartedness, charity, benevolence, and He is non-judgmental.
mysticphd
Prove to me you understand it, lets please discuss it, and the scriptures i use for it.
I suspect such a discussion would be a waste of time. But if you want to know why I think that then read the states of mind I posted about God's Holy Spirit of agape love and forgiveness as described in the Bible and revealed by Jesus on the Cross.
Then read and interpret those verses asking yourself if what you are interpreting is compatible with those states of mind or does it conflict with them. If what you interpret conflicts with those states of mind, it is WRONG!!!
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