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It'll ruin your day, won't it, when you arrive in heaven and finally understand the news (Gospel) that you aren't part of an elite and exclusive clique, and that there is no sweet incense of the burning damned to cheer you up? I suggest a strongly worded letter of protest to the management.
Actually, it would make my day if not a single person would be lost on that day.
Unfortunately, the Bible teaches that the way to destruction is a broad path and there are many who seek to enter in by it; and the way to life is narrow and there are few who find it (Matthew 7:13-14).
So, I would say that I don't believe the first thing even though I would love it if it were the case.
I think that we shouldn't base our understanding of reality on wishful thinking. How about you?
Actually, it would make my day if not a single person would be lost on that day. . . . Unfortunately, the Bible teaches . . .
Then I owe you an apology for suggesting it. I wasn't sure how you would react to my question. You gave the only answer that any true follower of Jesus would give. And since we're in accord on this point, I'd like to explore it a little further. It would be better if everyone gets saved (as we agreed). It stands to reason, then, that everyone does get saved. Let me explain.
God's planned outcome for us humans cannot be a sub-optimal plan. It cannot be less that the greatest conceivable plan. If someone tells us that God has a plan that is not as good as it could be, but which is nevertheless His plan, we'll tell him he is full of malarkey, because we know that God's plans are perfect plans. Surely you see the obvious: Rescuing only a few is not as good a plan as rescuing all (we agreed on that). So rescuing a few cannot possibly be God's plan. Not unless it is possible to affirm two mutually exclusive propositions at the same time.
You said that some of what scripture teaches is unfortunate. The truth is, scripture is never unfortunate but your interpretation of it may well be. The Gospel is good news. Not slightly mitigated bad news - not so-so news. It is the best news you can possibly imagine.
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Then I owe you an apology for suggesting it. I wasn't sure how you would react to my question. You gave the only answer that any true follower of Jesus would give. And since we're in accord on this point, I'd like to explore it a little further. It would be better if everyone gets saved (as we agreed). It stands to reason, then, that everyone does get saved. Let me explain.
God's planned outcome for us on Earth cannot be a sub-optimal plan. It cannot be less that the greatest conceivable plan. If someone tells us that God has a plan that is not as good as it could be, but which is nevertheless His plan, we'll tell him he is full of malarkey, because we know that God's plans are perfect plans. Surely you see the obvious: Rescuing only a few is not as good a plan as rescuing all (we agreed on that). So rescuing a few cannot possibly be God's plan. Not unless it is possible to affirm two mutually exclusive propositions at the same time.
You said that some of what scripture teaches is unfortunate. The truth is, scripture is never unfortunate but your interpretation of it may well be. The Gospel is good news. Not slightly mitigated bad news - not so-so news. It is the best news you can possibly imagine.
He seems cognitively incapable of engaging in this kind of thought and reasoning about what he reads in the Bible under the veil of wrath from reading the OT and Moses.
He seems cognitively incapable of engaging in this kind of thought and reasoning about what he reads in the Bible under the veil of wrath from reading the OT and Moses.
I'm not so sure, brother Mystic. I rode Justby hard this evening and provoked him in multiple threads. Not my usual style. But he reacted to my rank sarcasm with an honest answer that reflected the mind of Christ.
Then I owe you an apology for suggesting it. I wasn't sure how you would react to my question. You gave the only answer that any true follower of Jesus would give. And since we're in accord on this point, I'd like to explore it a little further. It would be better if everyone gets saved (as we agreed). It stands to reason, then, that everyone does get saved. Let me explain.
God's planned outcome for us humans cannot be a sub-optimal plan. It cannot be less that the greatest conceivable plan. If someone tells us that God has a plan that is not as good as it could be, but which is nevertheless His plan, we'll tell him he is full of malarkey, because we know that God's plans are perfect plans. Surely you see the obvious: Rescuing only a few is not as good a plan as rescuing all (we agreed on that). So rescuing a few cannot possibly be God's plan. Not unless it is possible to affirm two mutually exclusive propositions at the same time.
You said that some of what scripture teaches is unfortunate. The truth is, scripture is never unfortunate but your interpretation of it may well be. The Gospel is good news. Not slightly mitigated bad news - not so-so news. It is the best news you can possibly imagine.
not only does JBF affirm two mutually exclusive propositions at the same time all who believe in eternal torment or annihilation do.
I'm not so sure, brother Mystic. I rode Justby hard this evening and provoked him in multiple threads. Not my usual style. But he reacted to my rank sarcasm with an honest answer that reflected the mind of Christ.
I believe his answers are rote responses with very little comprehension of what he is quoting.
Then I owe you an apology for suggesting it. I wasn't sure how you would react to my question. You gave the only answer that any true follower of Jesus would give. And since we're in accord on this point, I'd like to explore it a little further. It would be better if everyone gets saved (as we agreed). It stands to reason, then, that everyone does get saved. Let me explain.
God's planned outcome for us humans cannot be a sub-optimal plan. It cannot be less that the greatest conceivable plan. If someone tells us that God has a plan that is not as good as it could be, but which is nevertheless His plan, we'll tell him he is full of malarkey, because we know that God's plans are perfect plans. Surely you see the obvious: Rescuing only a few is not as good a plan as rescuing all (we agreed on that). So rescuing a few cannot possibly be God's plan. Not unless it is possible to affirm two mutually exclusive propositions at the same time.
You said that some of what scripture teaches is unfortunate. The truth is, scripture is never unfortunate but your interpretation of it may well be. The Gospel is good news. Not slightly mitigated bad news - not so-so news. It is the best news you can possibly imagine.
I believe that God places the concept of freedom over and above His desire to see all people saved.
For, where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty (2 Corinthians 3:17).
Therefore, the Lord is all about freedom to choose;
And if someone chooses to reject the gift of salvation, God will honour that choice, is my belief.
I believe his answers are rote responses with very little comprehension of what he is quoting.
There are a few places on this message board where I go into greater detail on the meaning of certain scriptures that I have quoted.
On the other message board, that I am now banned from until the middle of 2022; I have taught through the book of Romans in a commentary; and I believe that if you look at that commentary, you will see that I do indeed understand much of what I read. I will try and dredge up a link to that commentary as I believe I referenced it in a thread near the beginning of my frequenting of these boards.
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