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I don't think I was being ridiculous though. What I think you're overlooking are the very real benefits to all of humanity, believers as well as unbelievers alike, of their being created "in Christ", where all live, move and have their being, as scripture clearly states.
This truth speaks to the very fact of how God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself not imputing their trespasses to them (2Co 5:19, Col 1:20). And, in a very real sense, to be "in Christ" does mean to be sanctified, even to those in unbelief who are "in Christ" and united to Him objectively by way of creation, but are, as yet, not sanctified subjectively by the Holy Spirit (1Co 6:11). Paul gives a good example of how this occurs when speaking of an unbelieving spouse having been sanctified by the believing spouse:
1Co 7:14 for the unbelieving husband hath been sanctified in the wife, and the unbelieving wife hath been sanctified in the husband; otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy.
In a very real sense the faith of Christ sanctifies the unbeliever "in Him".
Now, I'm going to tell you something you will think is ridiculous: All of humanity, this includes both believers subjectively and unbelievers objectively, have been, by the mere fact of being "in Christ", forgiven of their sins (2Co 5:19), declared righteous, that is justified (Rom 3:24, Rom 5:18), reconciled (Col 1:20) as well as sanctified by Christ's faith and faithfulness in His death and resurrection for them (Joh 3:35, Joh 17:2, Joh 4:42, 1Jo 2:2, 1Jo 4:14, 1Ti 2:6, and many more).
I don't really expect you to believe what I just put forth. The reformed church's do not teach it in their confessions of faith. However, I will say that Christ's atonement was limited to the elect "in Him", in that it was limited to the "spirit" of the soul. The spirit of the soul being elect in Christ. The carnal nature, the old man of the flesh being passed by or reprobated to death, having been crucified with Christ (Rom 6:6) already. Unbelievers simply have yet to be born from above to realize and experience what Christ has accomplished for them. However, in time, all will (1Ti 2:6).
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amen brother, I usually say they have not yet been woken up to the fact that the light is in them.
amen brother, I usually say they have not yet been woken up to the fact that the light is in them.
Jesus Christ is the Light. There's no light in me. I am a wretch--and that so even by the standards of men, but God's standards are much stricter (Romans 2:1-3). In me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing. Christ is my everything. He is my life, my Savior, and all of my righteousness.
That depends on the doctrine and whether the weight of evidence given by the KJV translation is valid concerning it.
The kjv is inerrant and inspired as concerning doctrine.
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While it's a better translation than most modern ones, it is gravely in error as it concerns its erroneous translation of "doulos" to "servant" rather than "slave." This is no trifling matter, as this concerns the very name of God, and the doctrine which is according to godliness (1 Tim 6:1-3). I would remind you that salvation is available to all who call upon the name of the Lord (Joel 2:32), so it would behoove one to learn what the scriptures actually say about the name of God.
Translating doulos as servant rather than slave is not an aberrant translation from the real meaning of the text.
I do believe that those who are in fact a doulos of Christ, have the freedom to go out from under being a doulos if they so choose. Of course, doing so would be their last free act.
But God, who is a Spirit (John 4:23-24) is all about freedom (2 Corinthians 3:17).
So, your contention that the kjv is incorrect in this instance is basically unfounded.
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The Goal of Election, its God having Predestinated a particular number of people unto Eternal Glory in Christ Jesus 2 Tim 2:10, for the purpose of having the praise of His Grace Eph 1:4-6
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
The kjv is inerrant and inspired as concerning doctrine.
But not infallible? Because it surely screwed up when it came to using the English word HELL.
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