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They want that black Vote so bad lol ... They will never get it lol
Yes, the democrats have taken for granted the black vote. Republicans have much more respect for black people. Since when has the democrats done anything to advance blacks.? They are the forgotten and one day they will realize that lip service does not help them. I
Most importantly, removing illegal workers from the workforce.
Hillary supporters love to say that if we remove the illegals, who will do these jobs?
How utterly absurd is this statement in light of the whopping 9.5% unemployment rate in the African American community? That is more than double the unemployment rate of the white community. In fact, that is the white unemployment rate during the height of the Great Recession.
Not only that, but removing so many illegals from the employment pool will drive up wages for African Americans (along with everybody else) that already DO have jobs.
Thank you for actually answering the question. I think it's an interesting concept that removing illegal immigrants will result in more jobs for black people. This may be true of construction jobs but what other industries? Also most people aren't one issue voters so in the face of other Republican policies that harm minority communities you will not get most people to switch based on this one policy.
Another hurdle Republicans face is the empathy factor. Black people in this country have been demonized for centuries. Shifting the focus to Muslims and Hispanics just reminds that the right is prone to "othering" folks and black people are still on that list.
Most importantly, removing illegal workers from the workforce.
Hillary supporters love to say that if we remove the illegals, who will do these jobs?
How utterly absurd is this statement in light of the whopping 9.5% unemployment rate in the African American community? That is more than double the unemployment rate of the white community. In fact, that is the white unemployment rate during the height of the Great Recession.
Not only that, but removing so many illegals from the employment pool will drive up wages for African Americans (along with everybody else) that already DO have jobs.
There is not a single study that I am aware of that supports the assertion that there is a "trickle down" economic benefit to a mass deportation of illegal immigrants. The only benefit they tend to show is the potential savings for what they estimate illegal immigrants currently cost local, state and federal governments. Study after study after study has proven that amnesty and legalization is a net benefit to the economy.
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Originally Posted by katygirl68
We are talking about a group, therefore referring to them as them is appropriate.
I was not making a point about grammar, I was making a point about attitude. The "us" vs. "them" attitude is still alive and well in the Republican party.
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Originally Posted by AnesthesiaMD
Your post is proving MY point, not yours.
How long did you live in the US? Do you know the difference between state laws and federal laws?
"State laws", "State legislatures", "NC".
These are issues decided and voted on by politicians in individual states. Trump did not create or vote for these laws. He had nothing to do with it. The laws were likely made before Trump was even a candidate.
Blame the politicians in those states, and I won't be arguing with you. But if you are trying to somehow tie this case to Trump, you will fall short, even with Hillary supporters. Do you think they want republicans tying Hillary to every "misdeed" by every obscure state politician for the mere fact that he/she is a democrat?
Your hate for Trump is causing you to make disingenuous posts. Your hatred of Trump is blinding you to the facts. When people like you blame Trump for everything under the sun, it causes distrust and hurts your cause.
It's also a little disingenuous to ignore the fact that voter id laws became a central plank of the national Republican legislative agenda after the 2010 mid-term elections. With the exception of Rhode Island ALL voter id laws have been proposed by Republican-majority legislatures.
Yes, these votes are enacted and legislated at the state level. Yes, Trump has nothing to do with this personally, other than his tacit support for it. However, the Republican party itself is certainly the entity most vigorously pursuing it. It is also reasonable that a Republican president would instruct the DOJ to provide clearance for the laws in states that must have their actions precleared under Seciton 5 of the Voting Rights Act.
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Originally Posted by Parker501
What is this so called nasty rhetoric?
Protecting our borders against illegal immigration does not affect Americans negatively except for those who are looking to hire cheap labor. His build a wall proposal only affects people who want to come here illegally and are therefore not Americans to begin with. You should not infer that because the majority of illegal immigrants are hispanics that Trump is against hispanics. And yes, by reducing illegal immigrants, the hispanics that came here by going through proper procedures (i.e. followed the law) will have a better life because they will be given better job opportunities instead of competing with people who will work for almost nothing just to stay here.
Secondly, muslim immigrants are to be vetted more thoroughly under Trump's proposal. Again, this will only help Americans by trying to ensure that those that migrate here will embrace our culture and not try to force their religious beliefs on us - such as the way they treat woman and gay individuals.
So tell me again how Trump intends to do harm to minority Americans?
I've stated my position on illegal immigration a million times now. I have no problem with a wall if it can be proven effective. However, legalization of the 11 million people already here is the only realistic approach to the issue.
As for the "vetting"...what other religious groups and political affiliates are going to need to be vetted? You are painting all Muslims with a broad brush. I know many Muslims that are far more respecting of women and gays than most evangelical Christians are. I could also very well argue that absent any real plan on how to conduct such vetting, why couldn't people who want to cause us harm, just lie?
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Originally Posted by hipcat
Where Trump really messed up in his campaign was not mentioning how Illegal Immigration impacts African Americans by taking jobs away, especially entry level jobs. And mentioning what Hillary Clinton has done to bring "Black men to heel" during the 90's.
The pandering to bigoted White nationalists which also a huge turn off for Black folks. It's so ironic David Duke is polling higher among Blacks than Donald Trump now.
The Republican party has been off-message with black voters since the 1930's.
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Originally Posted by pghquest
The alternative is they are told who to vote for because there isnt an alternative
You mean the Democratic message..
You really hold black people in low regard don't you? Do you think black people are mindless sheep that aren't smart enough to weigh the issues and messages and make an informed choice about which candidate and party best represents their individual interests?
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Originally Posted by Taratova
If blacks don"t have a job where do you think they have to go to eat????
On a per capita basis there are more blacks on social services programs. However, whites far and away outnumber blacks when it comes to total consumption of social services. Most people on welfare are white and live in "red states".
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Originally Posted by Taratova
Yes, the democrats have taken for granted the black vote. Republicans have much more respect for black people. Since when has the democrats done anything to advance blacks.? They are the forgotten and one day they will realize that lip service does not help them. I
Desegregation of the military and schools. Passing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The elimination of Jim Crow Laws. The Voting Rights Act of 1965. Since 1965 no Republican has ever garnered more than 15% of the black vote.
LBJ got 94% of the black vote in 1964, a record that even Obama didn't break. Hillary may just do it.
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Originally Posted by michiganmoon
Which would be huge for Trump.
Consider that Romney only got 6% of the black vote, which was 13% of electorate.
An 8% swing would be a net 2.08% swing in the popular vote.
Well, the poll data purporting that swing was already shown to be incorrect.
Yes, Hillary and Bill supported the "enhanced policing" efforts that were en vogue in both parties in the 90's. The Democratic party and Hillary have evolved and moved on from that position after recognizing its failures. Republicans want to double down on it despite better options being available.
We add a million legal immigrants a year, not counting illegal ones, the vast majority are low skill.
Government statistics show that US citizens of low skill have NOT gained in employment or in income, but immigrants of low skill have.
Blacks are more likely to be low skill.
Democrat immigration policies are why blacks have stagnant incomes and unemployment rates.
That article is a poorly researched opinion piece. He cites statistics from three sources, but none of them support the conclusion he is trying to make. This article from Forbes explains it very well. The vast majority of economists find that immigration both legal and illegal is a net BENEFIT to the US economy...
The chief logical mistake we make is something called the Lump of Labor Fallacy: the erroneous notion that there is only so much work to be done and that no one can get a job without taking one from someone else. It’s an understandable assumption. After all, with other types of market transactions, when the supply goes up, the price falls. If there were suddenly a whole lot more oranges, we’d expect the price of oranges to fall or the number of oranges that went uneaten to surge.
But immigrants aren’t oranges. It might seem intuitive that when there is an increase in the supply of workers, the ones who were here already will make less money or lose their jobs. Immigrants don’t just increase the supply of labor, though; they simultaneously increase demand for it, using the wages they earn to rent apartments, eat food, get haircuts, buy cellphones. That means there are more jobs building apartments, selling food, giving haircuts and dispatching the trucks that move those phones. Immigrants increase the size of the overall population, which means they increase the size of the economy. Logically, if immigrants were “stealing” jobs, so would every young person leaving school and entering the job market; countries should become poorer as they get larger. In reality, of course, the opposite happens.
General Election Clinton 41, Trump 39, Johnson 9, Stein 3
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