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Old 09-03-2022, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Originally Posted by SanJuanStar View Post
Because 30% of Republican Begich voters didn't pick Palin a 2nd choice in the weird Alaska voting laws. It has NOTHING to do with issues or Roe or Gun Control or anything since both Palin and Begich are the same on issues. Many Alaska Republican voters don't want Palin back because when she left years ago she left bad blood with the GOP Alaska party who supported Begich.


We won't know how deep the divide until 2 months from now for the general when more Alaskans vote since only half of the general electorate voted on the special election.
Perhaps it is a bit semantics, but that isn't due to Republicans splitting the vote. It is Palin being such a bad candidate and so divisive, that she was only able to pull in 50% of the 2nd choice votes from another GOP candidate, with almost 30% of those votes going to a Peltola. It is basically the equivalent of a candidate losing in a Primary and a large portion of that candidate's supporters refusing to back the party nominee.

FWIW Palin and Begich are not the same on abortion, while both are generally pro-life, Begich does favor exceptions for rape and incest, Palin does not. As far as only half of the general electorate voting, I would agree turnout will be higher in November. With that said, more concise statement would be turnout in the Special was about half of the 2020 Presidential race, and was more in line with 65-70% of a typical Midterm

 
Old 09-03-2022, 10:01 AM
 
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The fact is the right was there and now it's gone and Republicans are on the wrong side of an issue that may significantly change the electorate this November.

That's your misguided opinion since the states you brought up abortion is legal. Maybe you need to read the 10th amendment again and trust the people in the states over bureaucrats making law and shoving it down 50 states without due process.
 
Old 09-03-2022, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Oh, the joys of the socialist democratic slug fest.
Personally, I prefer the republican form of government, where all men are created equal, and have Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure - not tax, regulate nor trespass.
Of course, most Americans were misled into consenting to be governed in the democracy, and signing up for their numbered account in national socialism. That pretty much abrogates all those wonderful endowed rights, thanks to mandatory civic duties that come with the privileges ("civil rights" & "political rights").
According to the law, everyone "volunteered" so shut up, sit down, pay and obey.
 
Old 09-03-2022, 10:09 AM
 
Location: az
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Trafalgar has been argued that they think that the Democrats are not enthusiastic about the midterms. As I've said previously, most years I would agree. The issue is unless the economy truly goes into the toilet and not slows down, the Democrats have a huge issue to run on, abortion. Add in that Republican candidates are scrubbing their websites about harsh abortion stances they held in the primary to try and course-correct (which remember, in the day in the age of gotcha screengrabbing is just plain stupid and out-of-touch) and you have a pissed off electorate of women. Plus add in the horror stories of forced pregnancy by death panels and it is not looking as good for Republicans. The data points that help that is the Republican loses in direct races like New York and Alaska.

It's a snap shot of where voters are today. One reason I prefer using polls rated A- or better is because of this: The Wall Street has Dems up by 3 and Trafalgar the Rep by 6. That not even even close.

You prefer WS. I'm going with Trafalgar.

Time will tell.
 
Old 09-03-2022, 10:21 AM
 
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Perhaps it is a bit semantics, but that isn't due to Republicans splitting the vote. It is Palin being such a bad candidate and so divisive, that she was only able to pull in 50% of the 2nd choice votes from another GOP candidate, with almost 30% of those votes going to a Peltola. It is basically the equivalent of a candidate losing in a Primary and a large portion of that candidate's supporters refusing to back the party nominee.

FWIW Palin and Begich are not the same on abortion, while both are generally pro-life, Begich does favor exceptions for rape and incest, Palin does not. As far as only half of the general electorate voting, I would agree turnout will be higher in November. With that said, more concise statement would be turnout in the Special was about half of the 2020 Presidential race, and was more in line with 65-70% of a typical Midterm



62% of Alaskans voted for the Republicans but the Democrat won. That's your ranked voting does and why it shouldn't be in any state elections. It's confusing. It's like putting Bernie, Hillary and Trump on the same ballot and then doing a ranked voting that is confusing. I'm sure you Democrats would demand to change the system if Trump won with just 38%.



Begich and Palin supports the S.C. on Roe being taken down and that the states should decide. They are both Pro 2ND Amendment and against Biden's tax policies and green deal.



Since both believe is a state issue and this is for a federal seat, their opinions on abortions doesn't matter since over 60% of Alaskans agree with the S.C. that the decision of abortions should be left to the state and last time I look, Alaska is heavily Republican at the Governor, L.T. Governor, State Senate and State legislative branch and it won't be decided on the federal level. They want to keep the decision procress in Alaska.



Alaska are pro 2nd amendment, anti-federal government power grab including abortions, against higher taxes and against Biden's Green Deal.
 
Old 09-03-2022, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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62% of Alaskans voted for the Republicans but the Democrat won. That's your ranked voting does and why it shouldn't be in any state elections. It's confusing. It's like putting Bernie, Hillary and Trump on the same ballot and then doing a ranked voting that is confusing. I'm sure you Democrats would demand to change the system if Trump won with just 38%.



Begich and Palin supports the S.C. on Roe being taken down and that the states should decide. They are both Pro 2ND Amendment and against Biden's tax policies and green deal.



Since both believe is a state issue and this is for a federal seat, their opinions on abortions doesn't matter since over 60% of Alaskans agree with the S.C. that the decision of abortions should be left to the state and last time I look, Alaska is heavily Republican at the Governor, L.T. Governor, State Senate and State legislative branch and it won't be decided on the federal level. They want to keep the decision procress in Alaska.



Alaska are pro 2nd amendment, anti-federal government power grab including abortions, against higher taxes and against Biden's Green Deal.
Peltola didn't win with 38% of the vote, she had 39.66% in the first round and won with 51.48% of the overall vote. She also didn't win because of it being confusing. Peltola won because Palin was so divisive that she only received 50% of Begich's voters
 
Old 09-03-2022, 10:54 AM
 
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Peltola didn't win with 38% of the vote, she had 39.66% in the first round and won with 51.48% of the overall vote. She also didn't win because of it being confusing. Peltola won because Palin was so divisive that she only received 50% of Begich's voters

That doesn't make any sense. If Palin was so "divisive" then Begich would have won since over 60% of the votes were Republicans and the state is fully Republican not not liberal. It's a bad voting system.


If you think Alaska turned pro choice, pro gun control, higher taxes and for the green deal then you are misreading the voters of Alaska by your own bias.
 
Old 09-03-2022, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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It's a snap shot of where voters are today. One reason I prefer using polls rated A- or better is because of this: The Wall Street has Dems up by 3 and Trafalgar the Rep by 6. That not even even close.

You prefer WS. I'm going with Trafalgar.

Time will tell.
The problem is as time goes on we may have more and more stories of forced into pregnancy because of the overturning of Roe V Wade with the Dobbs ruling. The Supreme Court has been told they are on the wrong end and the Uber pro-birth Republicans like Blake Masters or Palin who want NO EXCEPTIONS.
 
Old 09-03-2022, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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That doesn't make any sense. If Palin was so "divisive" then Begich would have won since over 60% of the votes were Republicans and the state is fully Republican not not liberal. It's a bad voting system.


If you think Alaska turned pro choice, pro gun control, higher taxes and for the green deal then you are misreading the voters of Alaska by your own bias.
1. The combined GOP vote in the first round wasn't over 60% of the vote, though granted it was close

2. Yes, Palin is divisive. She has enough core support in which she was able to garner more votes than Begich, but not much outside of that which is why she only received 50% of Begich voters despite him also being a Republican.
 
Old 09-03-2022, 11:33 AM
 
Location: az
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The problem is as time goes on we may have more and more stories of forced into pregnancy because of the overturning of Roe V Wade with the Dobbs ruling. The Supreme Court has been told they are on the wrong end and the Uber pro-birth Republicans like Blake Masters or Palin who want NO EXCEPTIONS.
I'm pro-choice and support a host of other social issues but still voting Rep.

Abortion isn't an overriding issue for me. And I'm sure many voters who feel the same.
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