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Old 09-03-2022, 11:46 AM
 
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1. The combined GOP vote in the first round wasn't over 60% of the vote, though granted it was close

2. Yes, Palin is divisive. She has enough core support in which she was able to garner more votes than Begich, but not much outside of that which is why she only received 50% of Begich voters despite him also being a Republican.

1) 59.8% Republicans to 40.1% Democrat. If you want to get really technical about it.

2) Out of 191,015 votes cast in the special election, Peltota got 91,266 final round in a very complicated system.

3) I already said there is bad blood between Palin and the Alaska GOP and it has nothing to do with federal policies. It's internal in the state. It was nothing to do with Roe, or gun control or taxes or the green deal.

4) Peltota won fair and square on the complicated system and the overcrowded of Republicans but it has nothing to do that Alaska is turning because of Roe. We will get a more clear picture in 2 months when the general electorate which is double the voters to the special election vote.

 
Old 09-03-2022, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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1) 59.8% Republicans to 40.1% Democrat. If you want to get really technical about it.

2) Out of 191,015 votes cast in the special election, Peltota got 91,266 final round in a very complicated system.

3) I already said there is bad blood between Palin and the Alaska GOP and it has nothing to do with federal policies. It's internal in the state. It was nothing to do with Roe, or gun control or taxes or the green deal.

4) Peltota won fair and square on the complicated system and the overcrowded of Republicans but it has nothing to do that Alaska is turning because of Roe. We will get a more clear picture in 2 months when the general electorate which is double the voters to the special election vote.

You keep referencing overcrowded Republicans or a complicated system, that isn't why Peltola won. Peltola won because once Begich was eliminated and it was a two-way race, Palin only received 50% of his voters and almost 30% broke for Peltola
 
Old 09-03-2022, 12:26 PM
 
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You keep referencing overcrowded Republicans or a complicated system, that isn't why Peltola won. Peltola won because once Begich was eliminated and it was a two-way race, Palin only received 50% of his voters and almost 30% broke for Peltola
It was never a 2 way race. Voters should get 1 ballot per election for the candidate of their choice. That ballot should not be diluted with ranked choice recalculations. States should either choose to require majorities or use most votes wins but not both at the same time. We need consistent and rationale electorate systems that allows to send a clear message with their ballot and not take over 2 weeks to get a result of a small election of a small state.

It has nothing to do with Roe or gun control. Not in Alaska. Comeback in 2 months when 50% more voters vote in the general to really know what's happening in Alaska politics.
 
Old 09-03-2022, 12:49 PM
 
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It was never a 2 way race. Voters should get 1 ballot per election for the candidate of their choice. That ballot should not be diluted with ranked choice recalculations. States should either choose to require majorities or use most votes wins but not both at the same time. We need consistent and rationale electorate systems that allows to send a clear message with their ballot and not take over 2 weeks to get a result of a small election of a small state.

It has nothing to do with Roe or gun control. Not in Alaska. Comeback in 2 months when 50% more voters vote in the general to really know what's happening in Alaska politics.
It was a two-way once Begich was eliminated. The voting system of RCV (which was passed by the voters btw) is basically an Instant Runoff system instead of a separate runoff election. Palin simply did not get the support of Begich voters she needed, that is why she lost. Not an overcrowding, not a confusing system, but simply a large amount of voters who supported Begich initially, refused to vote for her. Granted, things could change in November.

FWIW if it was Begich 2nd and Palin 3rd with similar #'s, I think the GOP would have held the seat. Begich likely is able to pull more than 50% of Palin voters, and likely 30% of Palin voters do not defect towards Peltola. Palin, however being Palin, simply didn't have enough appeal outside of the very core of her base.
 
Old 09-03-2022, 12:58 PM
 
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It was a two-way once Begich was eliminated. The voting system of RCV (which was passed by the voters btw) is basically an Instant Runoff system instead of a separate runoff election. Palin simply did not get the support of Begich voters she needed, that is why she lost. Not an overcrowding, not a confusing system, but simply a large amount of voters who supported Begich initially, refused to vote for her. Granted, things could change in November.

FWIW if it was Begich 2nd and Palin 3rd with similar #'s, I think the GOP would have held the seat. Begich likely is able to pull more than 50% of Palin voters, and likely 30% of Palin voters do not defect towards Peltola. Palin, however being Palin, simply didn't have enough appeal outside of the very core of her base.
Like I say, Begich and Palin have the same political ideas. Most of the Alaskans voters voted Republican. The internal problem is Palin with the state GOP party. It has nothing to do with policies or Roe. Most Alaskans support taking down Roe and bringing the power to the people of Alaska.

The real power in Alaska is at the state level with the governor and state legislative branch and the 2 U.S. Republican Senators at the federal level not 1 lonely rep of 535 members of congress.

Again, I don't how deep is the division of the Alaska GOP party, We will find out in 2 months but is not about policies.
 
Old 09-03-2022, 01:26 PM
 
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Like I say, Begich and Palin have the same political ideas. Most of the Alaskans voters voted Republican. The internal problem is Palin with the state GOP party. It has nothing to do with policies or Roe. Most Alaskans support taking down Roe and bringing the power to the people of Alaska.

The real power in Alaska is at the state level with the governor and state legislative branch and the 2 U.S. Republican Senators at the federal level not 1 lonely rep of 535 members of congress.

Again, I don't how deep is the division of the Alaska GOP party, We will find out in 2 months but is not about policies.
Keep in mind one of those Senators did vote to impeach Trymp.

Also, Palin is a bit further to the right than Begich. A rape and incest exception being a key difference. With that said, at the end of the day, only 50% of Begich supporters broke for Palin and almost 30% broke for the Democratic candidate in Peltola, that is what decided the election.
 
Old 09-03-2022, 02:56 PM
 
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I'm pro-choice and support a host of other social issues but still voting Rep.

Abortion isn't an overriding issue for me. And I'm sure many voters who feel the same.
No, john, it probably isn't. But women, who make up 51% of the population, might not feel the same as someone named john.
 
Old 09-03-2022, 03:10 PM
 
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No, john, it probably isn't. But women, who make up 51% of the population, might not feel the same as someone named john.
Republicans have always told us they want less government and more freedom. How is the government telling women what they can and can't do with their bodies less government?

The overreach will cost them dearly.
 
Old 09-03-2022, 03:14 PM
 
Location: az
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No, john, it probably isn't. But women, who make up 51% of the population, might not feel the same as someone named john.
I’m sure many don’t . However this doesn’t mean they all do or that abortion rights will the overriding issue come November
 
Old 09-03-2022, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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I'm pro-choice and support a host of other social issues but still voting Rep.

Abortion isn't an overriding issue for me. And I'm sure many voters who feel the same.
Bingo…many think others should think and do as they do, and even no matter how low their standards, like defending the current regime that’s caused sOOO many debacles in the last 17+ months.

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No, john, it probably isn't. But women, who make up 51% of the population, might not feel the same as someone named john.
Might is the key word, also might not uses the word, also.
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