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Old 05-20-2021, 01:32 PM
DKM
 
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Your claims are spurious as usual. Nobody in Ukraine would take Sputnik. It wasn't America's decision whether Ukraine should take Sputnik. They simply said they will only register vaccines that are approved by either the WHO or the EU medicines agency. Neither of those have approved Sputnik, sorry.

Has nothing to do with Maidan, choosing Europe over Russia, or any of fake issues you came up with.
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Old 05-20-2021, 05:27 PM
 
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. It wasn't America's decision whether Ukraine should take Sputnik.
I have a bridge in New York to sell...interested??
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Old 05-20-2021, 06:48 PM
 
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I'm sure most Ukrainians have had C-19 and are immune by now. I got my first shot just last week to avoid crap going forward and my daughters asked me to. Not that I need it. I don't consider it relevant.
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Old 05-20-2021, 07:33 PM
 
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Your claims are spurious as usual. Nobody in Ukraine would take Sputnik.

Says who?



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It wasn't America's decision whether Ukraine should take Sputnik. They simply said they will only register vaccines that are approved by either the WHO or the EU medicines agency. Neither of those have approved Sputnik, sorry.

Has nothing to do with Maidan, choosing Europe over Russia, or any of fake issues you came up with.


Oh stop it already.

We know that Ukrainian Health Minister Stepanov was initially considering it, but after being invited for a "friendly discussion" in American embassy, the aforementioned embassy put announcement on its site that "Ukraine is NOT going to buy Russian vaccine."
How/why it was their business in the first place?

They wanted to keep Ukrainian market for themselves?
I see no problem with that - supply the damn Pfizer then, no questions asked.

But we all know what happened instead.
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Old 05-20-2021, 08:03 PM
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"We all know" it was America's decision which vaccine Ukraine would use.

Yeah we secretly prevented Ukraine from using a dubious vaccine from Russia that only a few 3rd world countries have used to any significant degree. Ukraine failed to order doses while many other countries ordered them (even poorer ones). This isn't America's fault. I noticed their health minister was fired over the weekend for this reason (perhaps why this is coming up in Russian news).

When supply meets demand (soon), nobody is going to care about this crazy idea that Sputnik could have saved the day in Ukraine. Russians will keep harping about how everything is a plot against them after the world has moved on. They would be better off trying to get at least 20% of their population to take their own vaccine rather than worrying about why neighboring countries used Pfizer.
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Old 05-20-2021, 08:19 PM
 
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a dubious vaccine from Russia
This is the reason why your comments cannot be taken seriously.
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Old 05-20-2021, 08:31 PM
 
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"We all know" it was America's decision which vaccine Ukraine would use.

Yeah we secretly prevented Ukraine from using a dubious vaccine from Russia that only a few 3rd world countries have used to any significant degree. Ukraine failed to order doses while many other countries ordered them (even poorer ones). This isn't America's fault. I noticed their health minister was fired over the weekend for this reason (perhaps why this is coming up in Russian news).

Actually, it would have been probably better to do it in secret than out in the open, and to post in the US embassy site.

Another thing I wonder, what was the deal with the "clinically tested" Indian vaccine, that Ukrainians were allowed to get.

I assume that Indians vaccinated sufficient part of their population before selling it elsewhere, but if that's the case ( and their vaccine was of decent quality,) why did they have such Covid explosion, that they had to call off their supply to Ukraine?

( which prevented those who got the first shot in Ukraine to get a second one of the same vaccine.)


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When supply meets demand (soon), nobody is going to care about this crazy idea that Sputnik could have saved the day in Ukraine. Russians will keep harping about how everything is a plot against them after the world has moved on. They would be better off trying to get at least 20% of their population to take their own vaccine rather than worrying about why neighboring countries used Pfizer.

DKM, we are not talking about the supply of some fashionable sneakers here, but medication that is a question of life and death, where the timely delivery is crucial.
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Old 05-20-2021, 08:38 PM
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This is the reason why your comments cannot be taken seriously.
Which is why Brazil and Slovakia rejected it too, right? They claimed it was the quality problems. And the WHO still hasn't accepted this vaccine for lack of data. Who are you kidding? I am the last person on here to accept dubious Russian claims about a vaccine that 80% of Russians themselves refuse to get. Putin even got Pfizer.
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Old 05-20-2021, 08:41 PM
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DKM, we are not talking about the supply of some fashionable sneakers here, but medication that is a question of life and death, where the timely delivery is crucial.
Sputnik was delivered "timely" to Argentina only to watch them get hit with a big 3rd wave anyway, which is really getting bad right now. Seems Ukrainians are better off wait a bit to get the better vaccine this spring and summer, than to get Sputnik which doesn't work very well. They are doing better than Sputnik supplied Argentina, that is sadly true.
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Old 05-20-2021, 09:04 PM
 
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Which is why Brazil and Slovakia rejected it too, right? They claimed it was the quality problems. And the WHO still hasn't accepted this vaccine for lack of data. Who are you kidding? I am the last person on here to accept dubious Russian claims about a vaccine that 80% of Russians themselves refuse to get. Putin even got Pfizer.
anything made in the west is a kill shot...
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