The future of Ukraine (crime, 2014, country, place)

[Zimogor]

Zelenskiy.. the end?

Ukraine’s Accelerating Slide into Authoritarianism

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/sk...rianism-186368

[saturno_v]

Originally Posted by Zimogor

Zelenskiy.. the end?

Ukraine’s Accelerating Slide into Authoritarianism

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/sk...rianism-186368

It would be ironic if the Ukraine situation boils over with a far right coup ousting Zelensky with the Russian intervening militarily to reinstate him as the legitimate elected president !!! Pop Corn worthy!!

[DKM]

Zelensky is calling for a national referendum on rather important subjects. That isn't what authoritarianism looks like. Authoritarianism is arresting all your opponents from running in elections and then rigging them anyway. Ukraine has definitely anti Ze people who were elected and even a few very pro Russians. There are 5 main political parties sharing power in parliament who don't like each other much at all. That isn't what an authoritarian would allow.

You all hate him because he wants to do what Ukrainians want: turn into a rules based European style country. That is a direct threat to the Belarus and Russia model of government, the same as south korea is a threat to the North and Taiwan is to Communist China.

[erasure]

Originally Posted by DKM

Zelensky is calling for a national referendum on rather important subjects. That isn't what authoritarianism looks like.

Oh stop it already DKM.

The time for true referendums is long gone.
Like, for example, when people were demanding referendum on land sales. ( You remember what they've got instead, don't you? )
No, when the Nazi are running the streets under personal command of Zelensky, he is talking about the "all-Ukrainian referendum on Donbass," and "how to resolve the conflict and to return the lands to Ukraine."
Since the Nationalists refused to follow the Minsk agreement decisions.

So quit pretending already.

Another so-called "referendum" that Zelensky keeps in mind is regarding oligarchs. The "wrong kind of oligarchs" minding you, the kind that are *undesirable* for the US specifically.

Authoritarianism is arresting all your opponents from running in elections and then rigging them anyway. Ukraine has definitely anti Ze people who were elected and even a few very pro Russians. There are 5 main political parties sharing power in parliament who don't like each other much at all. That isn't what an authoritarian would allow.

Zelensky's "Servant of the People" party created a united voting block with Poroshenko's "European choice" long time ago already, ( their main "opponent" you know, he-he,) the rest is insignificant.

You all hate him because he wants to do what Ukrainians want: turn into a rules based European style country. That is a direct threat to the Belarus and Russia model of government, the same as south korea is a threat to the North and Taiwan is to Communist China.

This would be great actually, but instead Ukraine is turning more and more into the lawless dumpster, which would be half of a problem, if not for all the murdered and *disappearing* people and Nazi that rule the streets.

[Scrat335]

Originally Posted by Zimogor

Zelenskiy.. the end?

Ukraine’s Accelerating Slide into Authoritarianism

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/sk...rianism-186368

This has come out in a big way and it's telling. Ukraine is a cesspit and people are starting to catch whiffs and not liking what their noses are telling them.

[Scrat335]

You all hate him because he wants to do what Ukrainians want: turn into a rules based European style country.

Who makes the rules? Tis the $10 question.

[Scrat335]

Oh my. No, your average American could not care less about Ukraine and we sure as hell don't want to die for the likes of you.

https://tass.com/economy/1299627

[Martinho]

Apart from Odessa there seem to not be that many resort towns and resorts on Ukraine's Black Sea coast.
Why is that? Most towns along the coast seem frozen in time with only a few small bed and breakfasts:
https://www.google.com/maps/@46.6121...7i10000!8i5000

[saturno_v]

Originally Posted by Scrat335

Oh my. No, your average American could not care less about Ukraine and we sure as hell don't want to die for the likes of you.

https://tass.com/economy/1299627

The lull it's only temporary...a slight reduction in pressure from the US as an "encouragement" before the summit to see if Putin can be pried apart from the China alliance (it will not happen).
Russia is already preparing for the worse, they have no expectation whatsoever for this summit.

[Scrat335]

Originally Posted by Martinho

Apart from Odessa there seem to not be that many resort towns and resorts on Ukraine's Black Sea coast.
Why is that? Most towns along the coast seem frozen in time with only a few small bed and breakfasts:
https://www.google.com/maps/@46.6121...7i10000!8i5000

It's due to decades of neglect concerning investment but really., it's not a bad thing at all. You want a vacation that's relaxing and enjoyable that's where you want to be. For some people anyway.