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Exports up 30% are the entire country of Ukraine, not Motor Sich. I should have made the distinction.
For the six months ended June 30th, exports from Ukraine hit an all time high of $30,000,000,000 USD. Most of the growth is to China and Europe and the majority of growth is furniture and industrial goods. I would consider that successful, or at least, not a failure.
How will Ukraine survive without that mighty Russian customs union?
Yes, yes, of course this is a success and at least good. But only if you forget and do not pay attention to the fact that Ukrainian exports currently account for 25% (twenty-five percent) of what it was 10 years ago.
We are here , we are all terribly jealous.
We can't sleep right now seeing such a success and breakthrough.
Perhaps you are not aware of Ukraine's obligations under the EU's DCFTA. There are a LOT of rules, laws, systems they are required to change to progress towards their goals. When Ukraine meets certain ones, benefits unlock such as higher amounts of goods traded without tariffs (as if they were an EU member). The visa requirement waiver is a big one. Also they get occasional free cash as you mentioned.
There are 1000's of pages of technocratic tweaks they have to conform to along the way. It mostly has to do with removal of corruption schemes. Procurement for example. State run businesses. The courts. Even the passports (10 years ago you had to bribe someone to get it). Right on down to the municipal level, many, many rules are being changed by adhering to the EU's system. Digital services are a major part of this too. You pay many bills online now, and it makes it very hard for someone to accept bribes in lieu of payment for services. Goods have to be made to a higher level of quality. I remember 2014 Russian propaganda claiming Europe will never buy Ukrainian goods... Well $23 billion a year isn't bad, way more than Russia ever came close to.
Perhaps you don't believe it, or want to, but there are genuine reasons why the majority want to force their country to reform along the path laid out by the EU. They are rigidly laid out and stricter even than Ukraine's neighbors to the west had to follow before getting in. Getting rich with government connections has been much more difficult since 2016.
They are maybe 40-50% of the way there so what is now, isn't the EU's system in place but more like an almost halfway there point. Lots of corrupt oligarchs in the way still but the national referendums will help solve many more problems.
I think you don't know this or really want to deny that this whole thing is possible. The oligarchs who really want to return to their stealing need people like you to help sell that the EU thing is all a scam and its time to overturn the silly new rules. A counter-reformation. This is where guys like Shariy come in, he gets a cut.
Perhaps you are not aware, that initially Yahukovich was all for signing the "European association," he was looking for a good deal, so he was very open-minded about it.
But when he read the small print, what it was all about, what reforms he had to implement, he understood, that he would be deposed by the crowd IF he'd try to implement those reforms.
The crowd doesn't like to read the small print, but Yanukovich HAD TO, being the head of the state.
And after reading this *generous offer,* he signed the economic deal with Russia for obvious reasons.
... So here is *our hero* Zelensky now, addressing the FUTURE chancellor of Germany ( the one, that's going to be elected in.. September?)
What he is saying, is that Ukrainians "who were dying on Maidan seven years ago, were looking forward to join EU" ( because a lot of idiots back then thought that that's what Yanukovich refused to sign.
THAT agreement. Ukraine joining the EU.)
So now he is "pulling proverbial Merkel by her sleeve," whining like a five year old; "so when are we going to be in EU? You've promised to take us.
Take us quick now, there is 50,000 Russian army standing on our border."
Yes, yes, of course this is a success and at least good. But only if you forget and do not pay attention to the fact that Ukrainian exports currently account for 25% (twenty-five percent) of what it was 10 years ago.
We are here , we are all terribly jealous.
We can't sleep right now seeing such a success and breakthrough.
10 years ago it was 36.5.
30/36.5 = 0.25 in Russia probably. No doubt the brainwashing was easy for you.
Yes, 10 years ago Ukraine had more territory and factories under its control. Comparing a Russian reduced Ukraine to the former Ukraine is all you have left since the ruin you predicted 6 years ago has fallen flat on its face.
Perhaps you are not aware, that initially Yahukovich was all for signing the "European association," he was looking for a good deal, so he was very open-minded about it.
But when he read the small print, what it was all about, what reforms he had to implement, he understood, that he would be deposed by the crowd IF he'd try to implement those reforms.
The crowd doesn't like to read the small print, but Yanukovich HAD TO, being the head of the state.
And after reading this *generous offer,* he signed the economic deal with Russia for obvious reasons.
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Is that what they are telling your people now? That Yanukovich campaigned on signing the deal until he finally read it years later and changed his mind for the good of the people without asking if they are okay with it? Such obvious reasons because clearly Russia is such a massive trading partner compared to Europe with its mighty 11th ranked world economy.
The crowd, they decide now. Majority rules. If you want benevolent dictator who knows better than the voters, you have Belarus and Russia to choose from.
I'm bored with this, there used to be intelligent debates on here but now its rewriting history from 7 years ago to fit the losing Putin narrative.
Is that what they are telling your people now? That Yanukovich campaigned on signing the deal until he finally read it years later and changed his mind for the good of the people without asking if they are okay with it? Such obvious reasons because clearly Russia is such a massive trading partner compared to Europe with its mighty 11th ranked world economy.
The crowd, they decide now. Majority rules. If you want benevolent dictator who knows better than the voters, you have Belarus and Russia to choose from.
I'm bored with this, there used to be intelligent debates on here but now its rewriting history from 7 years ago to fit the losing Putin narrative.
No that's what the Western media was reporting already BACK THEN, in 2014.
Some European newspapers recognized what was going on from the get-go.
You only had to pay attention at the "fine print," to read it - that's all.
10 years ago it was 36.5.
30/36.5 = 0.25 in Russia probably. No doubt the brainwashing was easy for you.
Yes, 10 years ago Ukraine had more territory and factories under its control. Comparing a Russian reduced Ukraine to the former Ukraine is all you have left since the ruin you predicted 6 years ago has fallen flat on its face.
Yes, yes, that's right,they did not create,did not develop,did not care, but controlled. Feel the difference.
Don't tell me about the territories.As already mentioned, these were purely subsidized territories with alcoholics and a backward subsidized industry. Only the lazy one didn't shout about it on social networks.
So what's going on? Nothing has been created in European Ukraine for 7 years. This is quite enough.Foreign trade decreased by 75% ,the external debt increased from $ 24,500,000,000 to $ 45,100,000,000 . What a success!
And what about the European choice, European factories. There's nothing there? The production of 40 units of engines increases the percentage by a third ! Oh! This is undoubtedly a success.
But we are here, yes, we are all so jealous of the European choice that we can't even sleep )))))
This is a dream, when 10 large enterprises are closed every year, not counting small ones.! .What a luxury ! Yes, you can do anything for this !
But such a wonderful business direction as sex tourism has appeared in Ukraine. Crowds of foreigners go to Ukraine for sex and other forbidden things. Everything is as it should be in a colonial country !
Read the history, it has always been so in the European colonies.
Well, DKM tell us that all this is Kremlin propaganda and lies.
West pumps money into Ukr. military and stand against Russia, it will end by a popular uprising which land Ukr. on its knees in front of Russia asking back. Do not know if they want it back.
West pumps money into Ukr. military and stand against Russia, it will end by a popular uprising which land Ukr. on its knees in front of Russia asking back. Do not know if they want it back.
This is the latest scoop on the situation over there, military situation including.
I am not sure about the internal upheaval in Ukraine yet, but judging by the threats that Zelensky government is issuing to Russia ( embolden by the ongoing Sea Breeze drills in the Black Sea,) the tensions are rising there, from what I hear on today's Russian news.
As one of the hosts of the 60 minutes mentions casually - "oh well, if they decide to proceed with their threats to fire at our vessels while trying to pass through to Azov Sea or to destroy our bridge as they threaten - there will be no more Ukraine, sorry to say."
West pumps money into Ukr. military and stand against Russia, it will end by a popular uprising which land Ukr. on its knees in front of Russia asking back. Do not know if they want it back.
P.S. Initially Russian government didn't want it "back," as much as they were warned by the Eastern Ukrainians. But now, seeing for themselves how NATO is taking over that place all while screaming about the "Russian aggression," they might reconsider the whole case.
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