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Old 03-24-2014, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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So why Russia cannot take away what rightfully always belonged to Russia?
I know that revisionism appears to be quite popular in Russia at the moment, but Crimea did NOT always rightfully belong to Russia.
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Old 03-24-2014, 09:33 AM
 
Location: State Fire and Ice
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I know that revisionism appears to be quite popular in Russia at the moment, but Crimea did NOT always rightfully belong to Russia.
Very long time! Cities Russian built. Russian there in the 9th century.
Is the same as to say that part of Hungary and Prussia did not belong to them, as well the entire south and east of Ukraine. But, we will not pretend to not pretend after Lenin gave our land Ukraine. It was part of the Russian Empire.
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Old 03-24-2014, 09:38 AM
 
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You many times proved their ignorance of history
More specifics, comrade. And don't forget about giving us the evidence of your history "knowledge". So far you just recite the most rabid pieces of the Russian propaganda, what's good for Russia is not good for this forum.
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Old 03-24-2014, 09:41 AM
 
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More specifics, comrade. And don't forget about giving us the evidence of your history "knowledge". So far you just recite the most rabid pieces of the Russian propaganda, what's good for Russia is not good for this forum.
you need proof that Kievan Rus is Russian land or that Ukrainians is Russian? funny, but it is known to all but you.
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Old 03-24-2014, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Ukraine (Kiev)
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The question! Who built all in Crimea? Russia or Ukraine?
Russia contained in the detriment of 15 republics in the last 70 years.
Russia is the successor of the USSR.
Russia pays debts for all 15 republics to 2000-ies .
So why Russia cannot take away what rightfully always belonged to Russia?
Crimea belonged to Ukraine with 54 years ,only formally,as it was one country. But since she broke up,she was obliged to return the Crimea 24 years ago.Ukraine did not invest in the Region,only withdraw part of the income for Kiev.
Can you now have to pay Russia for 70 years, the content of your country?
With regard to military property, your figures are fictitious. Of military equipment there almost all junk and not in combat-ready condition. You will have to pay for utilization.лол
My Russian "brother", forget about it.
All property officially belongs to Ukraine (as to the independent state)
I will observe with interest still process of nationalization by Aksenov: ) Whether he interestingly knows as in general to make it... How you are going "to nationalize" property which de jure belongs to other country?
Alas the Goblin knows only language of "power raiding".
And debts of the USSR you better don't remember (to you it will be safer). As I spoke earlier in the International Courts of Justice there is also a requirement of return of a share of Ukraine from property of the USSR: )
And concerning Ukrainian military "scrap metal" - so give it, if it such "unsuitable". In what problem, "brothers"?
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Old 03-24-2014, 09:53 AM
 
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My Russian "brother", forget about it.
All property officially belongs to Ukraine (as to the independent state)
I will observe with interest still process of nationalization by Aksenov: ) Whether he interestingly knows as in general to make it... How you are going "to nationalize" property which de jure belongs to other country?
Alas the Goblin knows only language of "power raiding".
And debts of the USSR you better don't remember (to you it will be safer). As I spoke earlier in the International Courts of Justice there is also a requirement of return of a share of Ukraine from property of the USSR: )
And concerning Ukrainian military "scrap metal" - so give it, if it such "unsuitable". In what problem, "brothers"?
Russia gave all debts in 2000. So no need to invent. You better think about the precarious future of Ukraine.

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Old 03-24-2014, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Ukraine (Kiev)
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Many have even in my region are willing to invest in such a case, the Crimea, I am no exception.
Kamchatka invests in the Crimea. It is very lovely: ) Baysarov already opened a pocket for your money, friend.
Interestingly, who else will want "to invest" in the Crimea except Russians?
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Old 03-24-2014, 09:58 AM
 
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Very long time! Cities Russian built. Russian there in the 9th century.
Pay attention ladies and gentlemen to this sentence. Russian Nazi (and unfortunately moderates too) believe they are somehow more "pure" and more "legitimate" descendants of the obscure tribes that vanished 1100 years ago in the swamps and forests of the Eastern Europe. It's very similar to the Germans believing they are the only true descendats of the Arians. The most ignorant Russian Nazi just extrapolate history of the Russian state 1000 years backwards, postulating that Russian state existed 1100 years ago and it gradually evolved in the modern Russian state, every other Eastern European nationality is just a breakaway piece (if not a traitor) to this main stream development of the Russian spirit. This idiotic, anti-historical belief is not that much different from the one Adolf used to excite German masses, also it's very widespread. History is a weapon in the hands of Empire, and this Imperial weapon inflicted serious damage to the Russian psyche.


Also, comrade, Kievan Rus never built cities in Crimea. A small area of Crimea (populated by indigenous tribes) was controlled by Chernigov rulers as well as by whatever outcast who could hold on power there. Chernigov is a city in Ukraine. Why it's not "Ukrainians" who were there in the 9th century then? There was no Ukrainians at the time, but heck, if you can invent "Russians" living in the 9th century, why not Ukrainians?
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Old 03-24-2014, 09:59 AM
 
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you need proof that Kievan Rus is Russian land or that Ukrainians is Russian? funny, but it is known to all but you.
So you would be fine with Germany reclaiming Kaliningrad?
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Old 03-24-2014, 10:00 AM
 
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Kamchatka invests in the Crimea. It is very lovely: ) Baysarov already opened a pocket for your money, friend.
Interestingly, who else will want "to invest" in the Crimea except Russians?
If it is in the region of a positive climate for investment, why not?
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